Skip flop Cbet & fold to turn bet IP

[justrunbetter]

Hi,
Which stat should I use for this situation? I found 2 stats that have basically the same description, but show very different results when added to a HUD? Which one is the accurate one?

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[fozzy71]

I asked our QA/Testing Manager about your question and he actually suggested that you use the 'Skip Flop or Turn CBet - Fold To Turn Bet' (i.e. 'Fold To Turn Probe') and set the 'Has Position' Item Property for that stat to 'In Position' as shown in the attached images.

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Skip Flop or Turn CBet - Fold To Turn Bet hud editor has position - in position on turn.png

p.s. We have that stat setup in one of the popups of our new 'HM3 Simple GTO' HUD profile.

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p.s.s. I get the same exact stat value for all 3 of those stats for our 'SampleHero' as you can see below:

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[fozzy71]

I get the same exact stat value for all 3 of those stats for our 'SampleHero' as you can see below:

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Our QA/Testing Manager suggests that you use the new stat as it was tested quite thoroughly when we added the new HUD profile. We added that stat because the other 2 older duplicate stats were always set to be an 'In Position' stat and couldn't be set to 'Out Of Position' in the HUD Editor Item Properties like the new stat can be.

All three of those stats should be accurate as I do not see any open issues in our developer ticket system about issues with either of these stats.

If you have a sample that returns different results for any of those stats please send them to us for testing as instructed at the end of this guide - https://kb.holdemmanager.com/knowled...-reports-fixed

p.s. Yes, stat rework is a long-term goal. That's why new stats use properties, as it helps us reduce the clutter in the stat list. This stat is a good example, as we already had duplicates before.

[justrunbetter]

I get the same exact stat value for all 3 of those stats for our 'SampleHero' as you can see below:

2023-08-17_13h46_00.png

2023-08-17_13h57_01.png

Our QA/Testing Manager suggests that you use the new stat as it was tested quite thoroughly when we added the new HUD profile. We added that stat because the other 2 older duplicate stats were always set to be an 'In Position' stat and couldn't be set to 'Out Of Position' in the HUD Editor Item Properties like the new stat can be.

All three of those stats should be accurate as I do not see any open issues in our developer ticket system about issues with either of these stats.

If you have a sample that returns different results for any of those stats please send them to us for testing as instructed at the end of this guide - https://kb.holdemmanager.com/knowled...-reports-fixed

p.s. Yes, stat rework is a long-term goal. That's why new stats use properties, as it helps us reduce the clutter in the stat list. This stat is a good example, as we already had duplicates before.

I added all 3 stats in side by side in my hud. Checked them out on players with 20k samples. Skip flop cbet and fold to turn bet IP & the stat u suggested show the same result. Fold Turn IP Skip Cbet always shows a lower value as for whatever reason includes more opportunities

[fozzy71]

I added all 3 stats in side by side in my hud. Checked them out on players with 20k samples. Skip flop cbet and fold to turn bet IP & the stat u suggested show the same result. Fold Turn IP Skip Cbet always shows a lower value as for whatever reason includes more opportunities

To proceed with the request, kindly zip* and email the original problem hand history files** to us as I requested in my previous reply, as instructed at the bottom of this FAQ - https://kb.holdemmanager.com/knowled...-reports-fixed

Ensure you also include screenshots of your reports/filters and a detailed description by tournament number, session, hole cards, filter, stat, etc. of some of the errors we need to test.

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