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    Does such lines as

    1) Donk and fold on Raise

    2)Check-Raise and fold on Reraise

    implicit weakness?

    I try to make defs with using this feature via "Define opportunities by range", but NC don't count hands with this scenario. In Test i see "Incorrect flop hand"...

    I misunderstand the Implicit feature?

    Ty.

    P.S - When i changed my def to "Do not take notes to missed opportunities" - all is Ok, i see "Implicit weaknes". But why it do't work for "Define opportunities by range"?
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    Please attach the hand and the definition so I can be sure to clearly understand the question and give a logical answer
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    err
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    Quote Originally Posted by sreticentv View Post
    Please attach the hand and the definition so I can be sure to clearly understand the question and give a logical answer

    Of course!


    ***** Hand History for Game 780180425 *****
    €10 EUR PL Omaha - Friday, May 19, 19:40:13 2017
    Table Litio 5max - PLO 41008 (Real Money)
    Seat 3 is the button
    Seat 1: pesco56 (€8.80 EUR)
    Seat 2: valerooooo (€13.21 EUR)
    Seat 3: 1dadadada1 (€10.00 EUR)
    Seat 4: furia71 (€12.63 EUR)
    Seat 5: clapio (€10.00 EUR)
    furia71 posts small blind [€0.05 EUR].
    clapio posts big blind [€0.10 EUR]
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to valerooooo [ Qs, 9d, Js, Ad ]
    pesco56 folds
    valerooooo raises [€0.35 EUR]
    furia71 calls [€0.30 EUR]
    clapio folds
    ** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, Qh, 5d ]
    furia71 checks
    valerooooo bets [€0.76 EUR]
    furia71 raises [€3.04 EUR]
    valerooooo raises [€9.16 EUR]
    furia71 folds
    valerooooo wins €6.88 EUR


    As you can see, furia71 made check/raise and surrended on reraise.
    When i tick "Implicit weakness" in Range section i see {Implicit weakness}(1) in Test.
    But if i untick this checkbox, i don't see *Opportunity* in Test, only "Incorrect hand".

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    any reaction?

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    My apologies for the delay. If you uncheck "implicit weakness" then it can't be an opportunity there. If he had called the 3-bet on the flop then I see how it'd be opportunity for implicit weakness but with him folding I'm not sure which selected item he should be getting the 0/1 for. Implicit strength?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sreticentv View Post
    My apologies for the delay. If you uncheck "implicit weakness" then it can't be an opportunity there. If he had called the 3-bet on the flop then I see how it'd be opportunity for implicit weakness but with him folding I'm not sure which selected item he should be getting the 0/1 for. Implicit strength?
    Hm.... If you use ""Define opportunities by range", and tick something in Range section, for example "implicit strength"(implicit weakness is unticked) and then it will happen this is SUCCESS, right? But if you tick "implicit strength" and don't recieve that (TEST show implicit weakness for this situation), it should be *Opportunity* there?

    Is this not the logic of the "Range" section - that can only be *success* for ticked Item if satisfied, and *Opportunity*, if what was ticked is not satisfied?
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    My understanding "Success - opportunity" for Range section is not correct?

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    I see what you mean but opportunities for implicit strength/weakness don't work that way. Otherwise they will be opportunities basically every hand and would be a mess of data
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    Quote Originally Posted by sreticentv View Post
    I see what you mean but opportunities for implicit strength/weakness don't work that way. Otherwise they will be opportunities basically every hand and would be a mess of data
    Ty.
    I do not know how other users act, because I always share strength and weakness in 2 different categories, so I never combine them together (So in all my "define opport. by range" definition Implicit strength is ticked, and implicit weakness is unticked) . Maybe you will do additional processing for users who choose in the "Range" section something one like me(impl. str or impl. weak.)? Because now, Notcaddy does not handle this hands at all, where the opponent on the river made an aggressive action and then surrendered on reraise - lost a huge chunk of information. Or can you suggest some other way, then I will redo all my definitions?

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    I would recommend possibly not to filter by range but rather file->settings->note settings "show results for implicit strength/weakness in notes..." and then use the pie chart. This hand would show as "implicit weakness" but in any case there is no way to have it as an implicit strength opportunity when he folds right away
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