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    I have a recent sample of hands where the river call efficiency stats don't make any sense to me, hopefully someone can help.

    The 3 important stats are:
    River call efficiency: 0.96
    River call efficiency $: +$5,761.12
    River call win %: 39.7%

    Ok, so looking at the first one, my understanding is (was) that a river call efficiency of 1.0 means you get $1 back for every $1 you call on the river. A RCE<1 implies you get less than $1 back for every $1 you call on the river and so you are losing money on your river calls. This seems to be contradicted by my RCE$ being significantly above $0.

    My next thought was maybe it's not calculated in $ terms but relative to the size of the pot. So calling a PSB in a 4bb pot is equivalent to calling a PSB in a 400bb pot when calculating RCE. But this is contradicted by the third stat. I don't face a lot of river overbets, so my breakeven point for river calls is going to be something around 30% (usually getting a bit better than 2:1), but my river call win % > 30% so that doesn't explain it.

    I have no more thoughts. Any help?

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    I'm sorry to hear you're having issues with this and I apologize for the delay. I have escalated this to our 2nd level support techs and have explained the issues you are having and they will be in touch shortly to help resolve the problem.
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    Please zip and email the original hand history and tournament summaries (for Stars, FTP, and Pacific) files from c:/hmarchive and/or c:\hm2archive

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    Hands sent!

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    We will take a look at them.
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    Any updates?

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    I passed this along to our stats tech. He is going to take a look at it. He should be able to do so today.
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    Cool thanks.

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    I looked at the hands and am quite sure river call efficiency is not calculated correctly, here's a link to my post: Two Plus Two Poker Forums - View Single Post - *** OFFICIAL 2014 STARS REGS THREAD!!! ***

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    bump. I'm ~100% sure RCE is calculated incorrectly. It uses your profit for the whole hand, not the profit on the river call and so is consistently too low for hands you call and win.

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