# Players Report Filter

[Ajax]

So in both of the above instances, the EP stat will increase.


Now, given all of the above, there are two similar situations at full-ring that need to be clarified.

1. When at a full-ring table, and the first three players fold and then the fourth player opens with a raise, his MP stat increases.

2. When at a full-ring table, and the first three players are sitting out and the first player to act opens with a raise, his EP stat increases.

Are both 1 and 2 correct?

[morny]

1) Yeah that sounds correct
2) Thats incorrect, if youve hand histories for this please email the hands to support@holdemmanager.net and also link to this thread

[Ajax]

No, I have no hand histories. I am just trying to get a good understanding about how the positions are determined. I have been unsure about this for a while, and I think that it is important, so thank you for all of your help.

The part that was a bit confusing to me is the exact way that position changes based on the number of players at the table when it is full-ring. PT3 does something similar, and I think that both applications got this part wrong. It is confusing, and it makes the results in the stats a little bit mixed up.

I think of position as being less dependent on the number of players at the table, and more dependent on the absolute distance from the button. In other words, I think of all sixmax tables as having no early position at all, and instead just MP1 and MP2.



I have a better understanding now, but am still not sure about the positions for seven and eight players.

When there are six players at the table:
EP MP CO BTN SB BB

When there are seven players at the table:
EP MP MP CO BTN SB BB is this one correct?
EP EP MP CO BTN SB BB or is this one correct?

When there are eight players at the table:
EP EP MP MP CO BTN SB BB is this one correct?
EP EP EP MP CO BTN SB BB or is this one correct?

When there are nine players at the table:
EP EP EP MP MP CO BTN SB BB

EDIT: I would also like to know the positions for when there are 5, 4, 3, and 2 players at the table.