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  1. #1
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    Default Fullring positions

    Hello,

    are the positions in fullring games still like they where in HM1? E.g. in a 9max game the first three players next to the big blind are summarized to early position (EP), the next two players after the first three are middle position (MP), etc.

    • 7 players: (1*MP, 2*EP)
    • 8 players: (2*MP, 2*EP)
    • 9 players: (2*MP, 3*EP)
    • 10 players: (3*MP, 3*EP)


    If yes, how can i change it in the HUD not in reports! This is really annoying, because such a gross classification especially in EP is not very meaningful.
    E.g. summarizing the first two as EP, the next two as MP, and the fifth as high jack, etc. would so much better (9max). There are many villains who play extremly tight in the first two positions and play much looser in 3rd positon.
    With less than six players this doesnt matter but with nine or ten players this classification really sucks when you try to estimate villains range (handread).
    I really hope this was changed in HM2 or there is a way to change it.

    Regards

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    1) HM2 - UTG grouping



    6 Players BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP, UTG

    7 Players BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP, UTG+1, UTG

    8 Players BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP+1, MP, UTG+1, UTG

    9 Players BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP+1, MP, UTG+2, UTG+1, UTG

    10Players BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP+2, MP+1, MP, UTG+2, UTG+1, UTG





    which, as I understand it, are slightly different from the HM1 FR positions (but same organizational structure):



    - 6-max: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, EP
    - 7-max: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, EP, EP
    - 8-max: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, EP, EP
    - 9-max: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, EP, EP, EP
    - 10-max:BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, MP, EP, EP, EP







    2) MP Grouping (which some users think is the correct one):



    - 6er-Tisch: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP
    - 7er-Tisch: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, MP
    - 8er-Tisch: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, MP, EP
    - 9er-Tisch: BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, MP, EP, EP
    - 10er-Tisch:BB, SB, BU, CO, MP, MP, MP, EP, EP, EP







    and 3) Off the Button grouping (My choice, from a theoretical, as opposed to a practical, perspective)



    BB, SB, BTN, CO, MP, EP, UTG+3, UTG+2, UTG+1, UTG



    --

    It is the UTG that messes everything up because UTG means something different depending on how many people are playing.


    We've set it up like this:


    BB
    SB
    BTN
    CO
    MP+2
    MP+1
    MP
    EP+2
    EP+1
    EP



    And we're still considering to offer 3 Alternative Full Ring Position Reports:



    1) Current - UTG grouping



    2) MP grouping and



    3) Off the Button grouping
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