$strengthversusaverage

[vyvojer]

Hi,

I downloaded the HalfPotRiverIsNuts badge definition.
But players deserving of this badge didn't get it.
I changed the definition's value "Difference in instance/opportunity as a precer" to 0 and processed my DB again. To test, I processed only a small part of the DB. I got strange results:
half-pot.JPG
That player bet half-pot 6 times with quads, nuts flush and full-houses. There was only one not nuts - overfull AA76ds on (AT4)TQ board (player has 2nd absolute nuts).
And the player has $strengthversusaverage = -16%.

For full DB he had $strengthversusaverage = -69% with quads, full-house x 9, nuts flush x 3, trips, nothing. Only one bluff bet from 17 and only one a relatively weak for PLO hand - trips.

And he is 69% weaker, than a average halfpotter?
Or there is a bug or I'm wrong to undrestand this variable.

[nilaynilay]

in omaha many hands that might seem nuttish might not be so

for a start check the average strength in the def cols on the left
tempp.PNG

also post the hands in your screen shot

[a.k.a.Also]

I'm having fun with this one too

Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?



Also

[nilaynilay]

Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?

are u using standalone version or hm2 only hm2 will have the goodies

[a.k.a.Also]

are u using standalone version or hm2 only hm2 will have the goodies

Erm, HM2 - dats why I is posting in here

(I'm posting over there too - gotta keep u guys on your toes!)

[nilaynilay]

post a screen shot pls. this is very weird. prolly also start your own sep thread for this

[vyvojer]

in omaha many hands that might seem nuttish might not be so

for a start check the average strength in the def cols on the left

also post the hands in your screen shot

Still, even in omaha on river nuts is nuts
I think there are two problems:
The first problem is that NC doesn't count a river's nuts strength as 100 for PLO. (I already reported about this bug in August: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/gene...tml#post581181)

There is hand from that player with $strengthversusaverage = -16%:

PokerStars Game #69019972233:  Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/10/15 21:18:45 CET [2011/10/15 15:18:45 ET]
Table 'Poincare VI' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: INYAFACE21 ($30.90 in chips) 
Seat 2: 1sikrex ($67.80 in chips) 
Seat 3: vyvojer ($104.10 in chips) 
Seat 4: The tilt guy ($33.50 in chips) 
Seat 5: Olga12323 ($30 in chips) 
Seat 6: maciekzbg ($98.50 in chips) 
The tilt guy: posts small blind $0.50
Olga12323: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vyvojer [Ks 7s 7h Qh]
maciekzbg: folds 
INYAFACE21: folds 
1sikrex: calls $1
vyvojer: folds 
The tilt guy: calls $0.50
Olga12323: checks 
*** FLOP *** [6s 8c 9c]
The tilt guy: checks 
Olga12323: bets $2.85
1sikrex: calls $2.85
The tilt guy: folds 
*** TURN *** [6s 8c 9c] [Ah]
Olga12323: checks 
1sikrex: checks 
*** RIVER *** [6s 8c 9c Ah] [Kc]
Olga12323: bets $4
1sikrex: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Olga12323: shows [Ac 8s 2s 7c] (a flush, Ace high)
1sikrex: mucks hand 
Olga12323 collected $15.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.70 | Rake $0.80 
Board [6s 8c 9c Ah Kc]
Seat 1: INYAFACE21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 1sikrex mucked [5s Jd 9s 9d]
Seat 3: vyvojer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: The tilt guy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Olga12323 (big blind) showed [Ac 8s 2s 7c] and won ($15.90) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: maciekzbg folded before Flop (didn't bet)

The player has nuts, but hand's strength was only 96%:

NutsIs96.JPG

The second problem is the average strength.
I followed your instructions and got very improbable value:

Halfpot.JPG

It's impossible, that a average river half-potter has strength 97%.
But logically $strengthversusaverage can be -16%, because nuts have only 96%. So the definition is right, but the hand strength and the average hand strength are wrong.

[nilaynilay]

Hi mate,
going to get sreti to drop in on this.

[sreticentv]

I will look at this in depth ASAP

[sreticentv]

I'm having fun with this one too

Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?

I think you've been using NC for awhile so there's a chance your grid settings got saved before this was an option. If you go to HEM roaming and delete the file noteDefinitionsLayout.xml then it will reset the note grid completely.

I will look at this in depth ASAP

I found there was a bug in the routine that calculates average strength when checking if badges should be displayed. This will be fixed in the next version.