How about implementing a hand-grabber for bodog, like pt3 for example, instead of having to purchase some 3rd party software to do it!
Bodog support
How about implementing a hand-grabber for bodog, like pt3 for example, instead of having to purchase some 3rd party software to do it!
They had one under development for HM1, before Bodog asked them to cease and they complied.
Bodog is on a mission to stop all HUDs and trackers, so you'll always be chasing them. They've already started rolling out changes to thwart the datamining and results reporting sites, and trackers are next on their list. At this point I don't know that the tracker market at Bodog is going to be viable enough to commit resources to it, since Bodog seems intent on running out solid/winning players (the type most likely to use a tracker in the first place).
thats just weak, pt3 beat u to the ftp multi entrys, which caused a shit ton of heat for u guys, pt3 beat u to the cake hud, and u guys will never even bother with bodog, meanwhile pt3 has supported them for years...weak excuse bro
Weak excuse, bro? Who's excusing anything? I'm not "them" if you're referring to HM support. I'm simply stating the fact that HM decided to honor Bodog's request while PT did not. I have a much bigger problem with Bodog on this issue than I do HM.Originally Posted by poker nuuuts
You also are pointing out what I think are important differences in the philosophies of both companies. From the outside perspective, HM has historically held their relationships with poker sites in much higher regard. Cake is very tracker/HUD unfriendly and generally bans them entirely. HM engaged with Cake to work out a HUD mechanism that would at least allow players to track their own stats, which Cake agreed to and actually blessed. Did PT do the same? I don't know, but I doubt it. When Bodog asked HM to stop their grabber development, they complied (probably assuming that they could eventually work out something similar to what they did with Cake, but that doesn't look like it'll ever happen). Conversely, PT seems to not care so much what the sites think. If it's not a blatant violation spelled out precisely in the TOS, PT favors the players over the sites. Arguments can be made for/against both sides -- I'm not picking a side here, just pointing out how the difference in approach explains a lot of the business decisions they make.
Finally, PT and HM are aimed (or at least were in the past) at squarely different audiences. In describing where you think PT3 has the advantage, you conveniently fail to mention innovations that HM has made over PT3. While both products have since evolved into a large overlap in functionality, PT had strength in tournaments when HM was king of cash. PT has always had stronger tournament support, HM has always had stronger cash support. PT also had support problems in its earlier days, whereas HM with its smaller audience at the time had very quick and personalized support from Roy and co., at least before they got so huge. And how do you think HM got so big? Why do you think so many people left PT in droves despite its much longer time in market? I used both and based on my cash-primary focus at the time, HM was much better for me. When I go on a MTT/SNG phase, I miss some things from PT3.
Bottom line is that both produces have their strengths and weaknesses, both innovate in different ways, and both spend a lot resources playing catch-up with the other. The market is far better off having competition that keeps each other motivated and in-check. If you prefer PT and their business philosophy, then by all means use them. If they have a feature that you think HM should have, you should respectfully point that out and request it. But to bash/promote either product on the other's support forums -- especially in an uninformed fashion -- is in bad taste and diminishes any respect for your position.
/end rant
cool story...anyway in one of my other posts i recommended getting both if your serious about poker (bottom line we probably agree on the bottom line), im a tourney player and for the most part i def like hem more, but their support sucks (compared to pt3 at present, which is what matters not the past bro), and i will bash it at times hoping they get it together (cant improve without negative feedback too)...there was absolutely NO excuse for the lack of support for the muli entry mtts when ftp had those HUGE pools, and if u wanted a hud, u had to go buy pt3 cuz they were on top of it, just for one example, not about to rant tho. ill end it with I like hem over pt3 in just about every aspect of a poker tracking program, i get frustrated that i even need to open pt3, and vent, nothing personal to anybody, im sure the hem staff and support are genius...me being human, im going to contradict myself all the time, if you dont your just lying to urself.
i want to just add my apologies for coming off as a prick to anybody, i was venting a bit and ill keep it cooler from now on, because when it comes down to it, i honestly have nothing but luv and respect for the entire hem community, no homo =p
Apology accepted on our part.
Please remember that "hey, I would like this feature _____________" to be added will go way better than "#&#&%#& you suck!"
As the former is specific and helps actually implement something, whereas the latter is just too vague to be helpful.
We came out with a Cake HUD at the same time - when they allowed it.
Bodog is a tricky issue. I know that a lot of people have issues with BDHG and the other upstart has apparently abandoned his project already.
And we all have to wait and see what all changes will be made with Bodog in the new year.
Last edited by udbrky; 10-28-2011 at 08:10 PM.
yea i understand, some of my vents were a bit under the influence but thats not an excuse at all, i admit when i am wrong and i was wrong to behave that way on these forums more then once, and i vow to cut that childish stuff out, as for the bodog hand grabber, i never purchased it because i have pt3...i would rather use hem/hm2 but id rather use pt3 then buy the hand grabber, which is fine, if hem never supports bodog i wont cry about it anymore lol, id just view it as a bonus if it happened. there is an issue with the pt3 hud though not too bad, i seem to have to close and reopen a table when moved to a new tourney table, to get the hud up, and depending on the settings, sometimes the hud could disappear when its my turn to act, but if i click anywhere on the table it re appears. i would def anticipate a bodog hud to be tricky and if they are against it i couldnt blame hem to focus its efforts on the more friendly sites
Hey, just wanted to bump this thread. It would be awesome is HM2 implemented a way to track Bovada's and Bodog's anonymous tables. There is already software like this available, but it would be nice to have HM2's additional features like keeping track of results and statistics. Thanks.
We can't grab the Bodog hands (get the handhistories) anymore.
Unless someone** writes a new handgrabber that uses an exploit in the Bodog software.
See youtube video: Bodog Anonymous Tables Hacked: Security Through Obscurity - YouTube
**We're not going to do it, since that's always been against Bodog's rules and regulations. (requiring a third party program like Idleminer)
If a third party creates this, theoretically we can add support to IMPORT the handhistories... but that's about it we can do for Bodog.
We're NOT going to add additional support (example: session-only HUD) for Bodog, since this is also now against their rules and regulations.
Cake had a similar anti-software policy but they've now radically changed that. Your best bet is Bodog also comes to realize multi-tabling (profitable) grinders are actually good for the network and revert their changes.
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