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gutari
06-27-2011, 11:34 AM
I started analyzing hands where I had 4bet but to my surprise I could ONLY find hands that were a)AI PF b)where I was 5bet and folded. I could not find a single hand (this year) where I had won the pot PF.

I played a bit more with the filters and found out that if I filtered that the 3bet comes from sb,bb or btn, it shows the hands where I have 4bet on the button. When I added CO as 3bettors position I started getting hands where I, the 4bettor, was on the..CO.

But again, if I filter myself as BTN, 3bettor in BB I still find hands. But just not those where I have won PF by 4betting. If the BB pushes and I call (or fold)the hand shows.

I have the latest version of HEM.

Patvs
06-27-2011, 01:36 PM
Can you post the handhistory (in its original formatting) of a hand
which should show up using your filter settings, but doesn't.

And a hand that does show up, but doesn't match the filters?

gutari
06-27-2011, 01:47 PM
doesnt show up:

***** Hand History for Game 5154626007449 ***** (On Game)
$600.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, June 27, 09:36:03 ET 2011
Table Kronstadt (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: OWNDBABYOWND ( $601.80 USD )
Seat 2: hero ( $600.00 USD )
Seat 3: jackwilldrum ( $1146.95 USD )
Seat 8: Pummi811 ( $1510.05 USD )
Seat 10: 23Febr ( $1011.70 USD )
jackwilldrum posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
Pummi811 posts big blind [$6.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Ac 6c ]
23Febr raises [$15.00 USD]
OWNDBABYOWND folds
hero calls [$15.00 USD]
jackwilldrum raises [$67.00 USD]
Pummi811 folds
23Febr folds
hero raises [$125.00 USD]
jackwilldrum folds
hero wins $161.00 USD from main pot
hero wins $70.00 USD


have to click "3bet from CO" to show up:
***** Hand History for Game 5154699000171 ***** (On Game)
$600.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, June 28, 12:16:50 ET 2011
Table Mashhad (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 1: Cashbird2 ( $600.00 USD )
Seat 6: zpaamakan18 ( $692.00 USD )
Seat 7: hero ( $858.70 USD )
Seat 8: the_road ( $1175.00 USD )
Seat 9: 102I05O8Sl ( $605.00 USD )
102I05O8Sl posts small blind [$3.00 USD].
Cashbird2 posts big blind [$6.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Ad Kd ]
zpaamakan18 folds
hero raises [$18.00 USD]
the_road folds
102I05O8Sl raises [$63.00 USD]
Cashbird2 folds
hero raises [$116.00 USD]
102I05O8Sl folds
hero wins $138.00 USD from main pot
hero wins $68.00 USD

btw the 4bet amounts are wrong. HEM is showing the amounts on top of the original raise. The correct amounts are $140 and $134. Both are from Ongame but the same problem seems to occur with every site.

many thanks.

Patvs
06-27-2011, 02:17 PM
You're using the Quick Filters at the Preflop Cards tab right?

It seems the A6s hand won't show up, because it's not a Cold 4bet.
Nor is it a traditional 4bet where you're initial raiser.

The fact you called a raise, then 4betted throws off the filters.
In fact the hand will show up for the Limp Reraise / and Cold Call filters.


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AKs hand shows up as a 4bet hand in my Quick Filters at the Preflop Cards tab.

gutari
07-03-2011, 03:44 PM
sorry for the delay,
I have been mostly using reports tab. for example this hand shows up when I click "position of 3bet" as MP instead of BTN. Looks like the filters use the 3bettor position filter as the 4bettor position? I guess thats one reason why I couldnt find any hands using the filters I did (4betting on the button for example) I made it 220 PF btw.

***** Hand History for Game 5156359142284 ***** (On Game)
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, July 04, 12:39:49 ET 2011
Table Taif (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: easygoingT45 ( $2075.25 USD )
Seat 2: 102I05O8Sl ( $1806.00 USD )
Seat 3: jackwilldrum ( $1332.00 USD )
Seat 6: MantraFilter ( $622.00 USD )
Seat 7: hero ( $1020.00 USD )
Seat 10: Manolis97 ( $2396.75 USD )
102I05O8Sl posts small blind [$5.00 USD].
jackwilldrum posts big blind [$10.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Kd Ac ]
MantraFilter folds
hero raises [$35.00 USD]
Manolis97 folds
easygoingT45 raises [$90.00 USD]
102I05O8Sl folds
jackwilldrum folds
hero raises [$185.00 USD]
easygoingT45 folds
hero wins $195.00 USD from main pot
hero wins $130.00 USD

Patvs
07-03-2011, 04:35 PM
The problem seems to be with the formula for "what is a 4bet".
Some filters will only display hands when the hand is a Cold 4bet / Open 4bet.

If you complicate it with using additional filters (4bet position filter, may assume it's a Cold 4bet) while the reports tab will show ALL 4bet hands--> the result of the two combined is the hands don't show up.

gutari
07-04-2011, 08:09 AM
looks like it. BUT, after all, most 4bets happen when the original raiser 4bets so IMO that should clearly get fixed.

Thanks for the help again.