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jkpoker
03-16-2009, 04:43 PM
http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $800(BB) Replayer Game#1533223154

PAXMAS2008 ($2,040)
XJKPOKERX ($1,320)
JOES2828 ($5,640)

PAXMAS2008 posts (SB) $400
XJKPOKERX posts (BB) $800

Dealt to XJKPOKERX Tc 4s
JOES2828 raises to $2,800
fold,
XJKPOKERX calls $520 (AI)

FLOP ($3,040) 3h 6d 6s (AI)

TURN ($3,040) 3h 6d 6s Qc (AI)

RIVER ($3,040) 3h 6d 6s Qc 8s (AI)

XJKPOKERX shows Tc 4s
(Flop 50.5%, Turn 50.0%)

JOES2828 shows 2s Ts
(Flop 49.5%, Turn 50.0%)

XJKPOKERX wins $1,520
JOES2828 wins $1,520

this hand shows i should be losing -10 on a 44 buy in in hm it shows me 51% vs 49%. Cardplayer odds shows a 46.54 to split I will win 27.03 he will win 26.43 shouldnt it show that i should have had a + gain on this hand

This is for the SNG beta btw

morny
03-16-2009, 08:53 PM
Escalated To Mike, hell respond asap

Mike chops
03-17-2009, 07:04 AM
We use a look up table for the preflop all-in equity for T2s vs T4o. we do this to help the import speeed. The actual equities are different depending on the suits. Not by more than 2-3% though and because T clubs, 4 spades isn't played differently to T clubs, 4 diamonds, I think it balances out.

jkpoker
03-20-2009, 12:19 AM
Ok maybe im totally clueless on ev calculations

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $150(BB) Replayer Game#1540235149

USMC35 ($725)
XJKPOKERX ($3,585)
MIOLO ($1,220)
SPORTSTER ($3,470)

USMC35 posts (SB) $75
XJKPOKERX posts (BB) $150

Dealt to XJKPOKERX Ah Ks
MIOLO raises to $1,220 (AI)
fold, fold,
XJKPOKERX calls $1,070

FLOP ($2,515) 4d 8c 6h

TURN ($2,515) 4d 8c 6h Jh

RIVER ($2,515) 4d 8c 6h Jh 2d

XJKPOKERX shows Ah Ks
(Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

MIOLO shows Kc Ad
(Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

XJKPOKERX wins $1,258
MIOLO wins $1,257


this hand says i should have lost -26.9 on a 44 dollar 6max sng

all in preflop

EV Result Luck Hand Player

$90.30 $90.14 ($0.15) SPORTSTER

$19.77 $19.74 ($0.03) USMC35

$92.72 $92.77 $0.05 AhKs XJKPOKERX

$37.21 $37.35 $0.14 KcAd MIOLO

those are the numbers from the icm tab and yet its saying -26.9


Also i was wondering if in the random assigning of suits to cards if this will make say AdKd turn into Adkc?? a few % on winning makes a massive difference in results.............

jkpoker
03-20-2009, 03:34 PM
bump

Mike chops
03-20-2009, 07:43 PM
Can you replay it the hand. There should be a file evLog.txt in the holdem manager\logs folder. Please send it to me with the hand history.

mike@holdemmanger.net

jkpoker
03-20-2009, 09:28 PM
doing so now

reign78
03-20-2009, 09:54 PM
Another example:

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $200(BB) Replayer Game#1541800653

DRAGONFLY999 ($2,610)
REIGN78 ($2,370)
SPULTIBET ($4,020)

DRAGONFLY999 posts (SB) $100
REIGN78 posts (BB) $200

Dealt to REIGN78 Ts Ac
fold,
DRAGONFLY999 calls $100
REIGN78 raises to $2,370 (AI)
DRAGONFLY999 calls $2,170

FLOP ($4,740) Kc 7d 8c
TURN ($4,740) Kc 7d 8c 6d
RIVER ($4,740) Kc 7d 8c 6d 9c

DRAGONFLY999 shows Td Qd
(Flop 17.9%, Turn 30.7%)

REIGN78 shows Ts Ac
(Flop 82.1%, Turn 69.3%)

DRAGONFLY999 wins $2,370
REIGN78 wins $2,370

This hand reports I that I should have lost $18.85 while the ICM button states I was unlucky by $7.32.

Payouts
1 $84.00
2 $36.00

Start EV End EV Diff Player
$36.52 $36.52 ($0.00) DRAGONFLY999
$33.64 $33.64 ($0.00) REIGN78
$49.84 $49.84 ($0.00) SPULTIBET

SNG EV analysis

Board -

Prizes $84.00 $36.00

EV Result Luck Hand Player
$22.80 $36.52 $13.72 TdQd DRAGONFLY999
$40.97 $33.64 ($7.32) TsAc REIGN78
$56.24 $49.84 ($6.40) SPULTIBET

hand order TdQd > TsAc probability 31.0078%
0 stack 4980, icm ev $62.56
1 stack 0, icm ev $0.00
2 stack 4020, icm ev $57.44

hand order TsAc > TdQd probability 67.1962%
0 stack 240, icm ev $4.08
1 stack 4740, icm ev $60.06
2 stack 4020, icm ev $55.85

hand order TdQd = TsAc probability 1.7959%
0 stack 2610, icm ev $36.52
1 stack 2370, icm ev $33.64
2 stack 4020, icm ev $49.84

jkpoker
03-22-2009, 06:07 PM
http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $150(BB) Replayer Game#1545664128

THETANK72 ($1,555)
DIESE8 ($700)
XJKPOKERX ($1,395)
ABSOLUTHEAT ($3,030)
BUCK22657 ($310)
JNSILVER333 ($2,010)

THETANK72 posts (SB) $75
DIESE8 posts (BB) $150

Dealt to XJKPOKERX Kc Qh
XJKPOKERX raises to $1,395 (AI)
fold,
BUCK22657 calls $310 (AI)
fold, fold, fold,

FLOP ($845) 8h 9h As

TURN ($845) 8h 9h As 4c

RIVER ($845) 8h 9h As 4c 4h

XJKPOKERX shows Kc Qh
(Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

BUCK22657 shows Ks Qs
(Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

XJKPOKERX wins $423
BUCK22657 wins $422


syas i should have lost -14.45 on a 55$ sng

edit.
Start EV End EV Diff Player
$24.89 $19.67 ($5.23) DIESE8
$48.23 $51.87 $3.64 XJKPOKERX
$94.94 $94.94 $0.00 ABSOLUTHEAT
$11.18 $15.16 $3.98 BUCK22657
$67.40 $67.40 $0.00 JNSILVER333
$53.37 $50.97 ($2.39) THETANK72

EV Result Luck Hand Player

$19.67 $19.67 $0.00 DIESE8

$51.15 $51.85 $0.70 KcQh XJKPOKERX

$94.93 $94.94 $0.01 ABSOLUTHEAT

$15.89 $15.17 ($0.72) KsQs BUCK22657

$67.40 $67.40 $0.00 JNSILVER333

$50.97 $50.97 $0.00 THETANK72


and shows -15 in sng

SNG EV analysis
Board -
Prizes $210.00 $90.00

EV Result Luck Hand Player
$19.70 $19.79 $0.09 DIESE8
$50.99 $65.43 $14.45 KcQh XJKPOKERX
$95.11 $95.62 $0.51 ABSOLUTHEAT
$15.65 $0.00 ($15.65) KsQs BUCK22657
$67.51 $67.85 $0.34 JNSILVER333
$51.05 $51.30 $0.25 THETANK72

hand order KcQh > KsQs probability 47.5078%
0 stack 550, icm ev $19.79
1 stack 1930, icm ev $65.43
2 stack 3030, icm ev $95.62
3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00
4 stack 2010, icm ev $67.85
5 stack 1480, icm ev $51.30

hand order KsQs > KcQh probability 52.4922%
0 stack 550, icm ev $19.61
1 stack 1085, icm ev $37.91
2 stack 3030, icm ev $94.64
3 stack 845, icm ev $29.81
4 stack 2010, icm ev $67.20
5 stack 1480, icm ev $50.83

hand order KcQh = KsQs probability 0.0000%
0 stack 550, icm ev $19.67
1 stack 1507.5, icm ev $51.85
2 stack 3030, icm ev $94.94
3 stack 422.5, icm ev $15.17
4 stack 2010, icm ev $67.40
5 stack 1480, icm ev $50.97

jkpoker
03-23-2009, 12:51 AM
i got a notice saying hte email could not be delivered for the file

morny
03-23-2009, 03:03 PM
Upload it to www.yousendit.com and then email Mike the link

jkpoker
03-24-2009, 05:05 AM
cant he use the copy pasted files?

morny
03-24-2009, 08:42 AM
Can you replay it the hand. There should be a file evLog.txt in the holdem manager\logs folder. Please send it to me with the hand history.

mike@holdemmanger.net

Hell also need the original HHs

jkpoker
03-25-2009, 01:17 AM
How is this not a common problem it is happening multiple times per day...

jkpoker
03-25-2009, 01:17 AM
should i post the link here emails are not getting to that address

jkpoker
03-25-2009, 04:49 AM
I emailed 3 hand histories to mike and i also uploaded to here

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=e8873a25f3c3683d111096d429abd360e04e75f6 e8ebb871


one is the AK one is the KQ and one i had a few days ago i split Q4 vs 44 all in preflop it says i should have made like 35 on a 40 :).

I have many many more and it is happening several times a day that i notice....

Mike chops
03-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Sorry about the email problems. Dunno what happened, I guess somebody sent a log file that was too big?

I need the evLog.txt after you enter the replayer and the original hand history for the hand in question. You can export the hand by right clicking on it in a report. You can send them to mlamb1@gmail.com

jkpoker
03-26-2009, 02:50 AM
have you received any emails the log file is so small it should not matter...........

jkpoker
03-26-2009, 02:52 AM
you should be able to use the hh i sent you via email or the ones in the link and just put them into poker tracker.

i made a new DB and imported them and got the same thing on one of them

jkpoker
03-26-2009, 03:54 AM
Had another interesting one i split AJ with AQ when this happens it usually reverses the EV however it made me losign way way more tehn should have been possible more then the other player even had in chips.

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $100(BB) Replayer Game#1553016031

XJKPOKERX ($1,510)
BAYCOFISH ($1,290)
CASHIN1973 ($3,125)
NUTINSIDER ($1,395)
IAMNOTWILL ($1,680)

XJKPOKERX posts (SB) $50
BAYCOFISH posts (BB) $100

Dealt to XJKPOKERX Js Ah
fold, fold, fold,
XJKPOKERX raises to $1,510 (AI)
BAYCOFISH calls $1,190 (AI)

FLOP ($2,580) 2s 8c Ks

TURN ($2,580) 2s 8c Ks 8d

RIVER ($2,580) 2s 8c Ks 8d 8s

BAYCOFISH shows Qh Ad
(Flop 81.2%, Turn 81.8%)

XJKPOKERX shows Js Ah
(Flop 18.8%, Turn 18.2%)

BAYCOFISH wins $1,290
XJKPOKERX wins $1,290


icm button

Payouts
1 $273.00
2 $117.00

Start EV End EV Diff Player
$58.36 $58.36 ($0.00) BAYCOFISH
$126.55 $126.55 ($0.00) CASHIN1973
$62.81 $62.81 ($0.00) NUTINSIDER
$74.64 $74.64 ($0.00) IAMNOTWILL
$67.64 $67.64 ($0.00) XJKPOKERX

SNG EV analysis

Board -

Prizes $273.00 $117.00



EV Result Luck Hand Player

$81.58 $58.36 ($23.22) QhAd BAYCOFISH

$129.01 $126.55 ($2.46) CASHIN1973

$63.91 $62.81 ($1.10) NUTINSIDER

$75.96 $74.64 ($1.32) IAMNOTWILL

$39.54 $67.64 $28.10 JsAh XJKPOKERX



hand order QhAd > JsAh probability 70.5782%

0 stack 2580, icm ev $110.79

1 stack 3125, icm ev $128.91

2 stack 1395, icm ev $63.87

3 stack 1680, icm ev $75.91

4 stack 220, icm ev $10.52



hand order JsAh > QhAd probability 23.6233%

0 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

1 stack 3125, icm ev $129.91

2 stack 1395, icm ev $64.31

3 stack 1680, icm ev $76.45

4 stack 2800, icm ev $119.33



hand order QhAd = JsAh probability 5.7985%

0 stack 1290, icm ev $58.36

1 stack 3125, icm ev $126.55

2 stack 1395, icm ev $62.81

3 stack 1680, icm ev $74.64

4 stack 1510, icm ev $67.64


EV file


SNG EV analysis
Board -
Prizes $273.00 $117.00

EV Result Luck Hand Player
$81.58 $58.36 ($23.22) QhAd BAYCOFISH
$129.01 $126.55 ($2.46) CASHIN1973
$63.91 $62.81 ($1.10) NUTINSIDER
$75.96 $74.64 ($1.32) IAMNOTWILL
$39.54 $67.64 $28.10 JsAh XJKPOKERX

hand order QhAd > JsAh probability 70.5782%
0 stack 2580, icm ev $110.79
1 stack 3125, icm ev $128.91
2 stack 1395, icm ev $63.87
3 stack 1680, icm ev $75.91
4 stack 220, icm ev $10.52

hand order JsAh > QhAd probability 23.6233%
0 stack 0, icm ev $0.00
1 stack 3125, icm ev $129.91
2 stack 1395, icm ev $64.31
3 stack 1680, icm ev $76.45
4 stack 2800, icm ev $119.33

hand order QhAd = JsAh probability 5.7985%
0 stack 1290, icm ev $58.36
1 stack 3125, icm ev $126.55
2 stack 1395, icm ev $62.81
3 stack 1680, icm ev $74.64
4 stack 1510, icm ev $67.64


This was only a 71 dollar SNG
http://i41.tinypic.com/16c1hc3.jpg

jkpoker
03-30-2009, 06:01 PM
has anything been happening with this issue??

jkpoker
03-31-2009, 05:24 PM
still getting lots of ev mistakes

/bump

morny
03-31-2009, 06:50 PM
Escalated to Mike, hell respond asap

jkpoker
03-31-2009, 09:39 PM
thanks dont mean to be a total nag like I am:)

Just mostly wondering if more hands are needed and stuff like that.

Mike chops
04-01-2009, 01:32 PM
I fixed this last week, but the build has been held up because of some anti-virus program was messing HEM up. We should be releasing another build by tonight or you can use the omaha beta.

http://www.holdemmanager.com/downloads/HmOmaha.exe

jkpoker
04-08-2009, 03:30 AM
so I waited for some of the new updates and im using 1.08 beta 25 and this has not been fixed

I had one SNG where i split 95s with A4 and it says is hould have made 60 or so on a 70 when i should have lost like in the 20 range and a few hands before i split an A9s with AKo and it says i should have made 60 there also when i should have lost money also

Its still haven the exact same problems it had before....................

Mike chops
04-09-2009, 12:25 AM
Can you right click to export the hand from a report and send it to me. Thanks

jkpoker
04-09-2009, 02:01 AM
not sure what you mean form right click from a report?

just export the hand from HM?

morny
04-09-2009, 07:15 AM
Yeah right click the HH from the report TAB, choose export seletced HH to hard drive and send that to Mike

jkpoker
04-24-2009, 10:48 PM
This has deffinitally not been fixed yet i just checked another split pot and sure anuff ev went to other person not myself.

After that happened i went and downloaded newest beta and had the same problem ev goes to wrong person.

Call me totally ignorant but i dont get how this is so hard to fix considering it gets the chip ev correct

morny
04-25-2009, 04:30 PM
Email the hand in question to mike@holdemmanager.net

jkpoker
07-02-2009, 08:27 PM
this has not been fixed i will email a hand that split ak vs ak all in preflop that it said i should have lost 25 dollars on a 55

I havent been playing as much and havent notice it happening nearly as much.

However it is still doing it

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $300(BB) Replayer Game#1748942823

PCKTAAPLSNO ($3,200)
THEMISBEHAVER ($2,960)
XJKPOKERX ($2,435)
ICETIME39 ($4,905)

ICETIME39 antes $25
PCKTAAPLSNO antes $25
THEMISBEHAVER antes $25
XJKPOKERX antes $25
PCKTAAPLSNO posts (SB) $150
THEMISBEHAVER posts (BB) $300

Dealt to XJKPOKERX Kd As
XJKPOKERX raises to $2,410 (AI)
ICETIME39 raises to $4,880 (AI)
fold, fold,

FLOP ($5,370) 8h Qs 8s

TURN ($5,370) 8h Qs 8s 4d

RIVER ($5,370) 8h Qs 8s 4d Td

ICETIME39 shows Kh Ac
(Flop 47.7%, Turn 50.0%)

XJKPOKERX shows Kd As
(Flop 52.3%, Turn 50.0%)

ICETIME39 wins $2,685
XJKPOKERX wins $2,685





Payouts
1 $225.00
2 $135.00
3 $90.00

Start EV End EV Diff Player
$141.12 $144.87 $3.75 ICETIME39
$111.30 $107.80 ($3.50) PCKTAAPLSNO
$105.76 $97.99 ($7.77) THEMISBEHAVER
$91.82 $99.33 $7.51 XJKPOKERX

SNG EV analysis

Board -

Prizes $225.00 $135.00 $90.00



EV Result Luck Hand Player

$144.59 $144.87 $0.29 KhAc ICETIME39

$108.45 $107.80 ($0.65) PCKTAAPLSNO

$98.73 $97.99 ($0.74) THEMISBEHAVER

$98.23 $99.33 $1.10 KdAs XJKPOKERX



hand order KhAc > KdAs probability 2.1731%

0 stack 7840, icm ev $182.28

1 stack 3025, icm ev $136.66

2 stack 2635, icm ev $131.05

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00



hand order KdAs > KhAc probability 2.1731%

0 stack 2470, icm ev $94.31

1 stack 3025, icm ev $108.63

2 stack 2635, icm ev $98.89

3 stack 5370, icm ev $148.17



hand order KhAc = KdAs probability 95.6538%

0 stack 5155, icm ev $144.87

1 stack 3025, icm ev $107.80

2 stack 2635, icm ev $97.99

3 stack 2685, icm ev $99.33

netsrak
07-03-2009, 03:24 AM
Please email the hand to Mike again

jkpoker
07-07-2009, 10:39 PM
i re sent them to him

jkpoker
07-15-2009, 12:03 AM
I guess this just wont be fixed and its beyond the ability for me to understand even though i have been trying to help fix the issue.

Josh,

Just ignore it if you don’t understand it.

Mike

jkpoker
10-22-2009, 05:03 AM
Well i still see split pots ev going the wrong way hoping to get at the very least a fix ev button for sngs because it would be nice for it to be correct.


I had a very strange hand show up today basically i push A9 TT calls and is under the BB it shows me supposed to lose 11 dollars in ev i lose the hand but make chips because the TT had under the bb in the icm button it shows that i was supposed to make 15ish in ev instead of losing 11.

http://www.holdemmanager.net
NL Holdem $600(BB) Replayer Game#1953784807

COY1956 ($2,677)
NIMAJ1111 ($2,986)
XJKPOKERX ($3,007)
JFUJIEKI ($330)

COY1956 antes $75
NIMAJ1111 antes $75
XJKPOKERX antes $75
JFUJIEKI antes $75
COY1956 posts (SB) $300
NIMAJ1111 posts (BB) $600

Dealt to XJKPOKERX As 9d
XJKPOKERX raises to $2,932 (AI)
JFUJIEKI calls $255 (AI)
fold, fold,
FLOP ($2,055) Ts 4c 3h
TURN ($2,055) Ts 4c 3h 7s
RIVER ($2,055) Ts 4c 3h 7s Kc
XJKPOKERX shows As 9d
(Pre 27%, Flop 1.6%, Turn 0.0%)

JFUJIEKI shows Td Tc
(Pre 73%, Flop 98.4%, Turn 100.0%)

XJKPOKERX wins $735
JFUJIEKI wins $1,320

EV Result Luck Hand Player

$102.93 $100.78 ($2.15) COY1956

$103.28 $101.12 ($2.16) NIMAJ1111

$139.72 $127.36 ($12.36) As9d XJKPOKERX

$44.07 $60.74 $16.67 TdTc JFUJIEKI


shows the color also in grey like a split pot instead of me losing the hand

right next to the $ev it shows that i should have made chips. This was like 99.99 the case in the split pots the ev is figureing chips correct money incorect


http://i35.tinypic.com/inabnp.jpg

netsrak
10-22-2009, 06:40 AM
please mail the hand with a link to this thread to support@holdemmanager.net