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Tramflyer
03-26-2011, 12:17 PM
Hello.

In the announcement it has been written that HM correctly considers now EV in tournaments Fifty50. But when I open in replayer the played hand, I see that ICM pay off as in usual SNG 50-30-20. It is correct?

I use the translator translate.ru

Patvs
03-26-2011, 09:18 PM
I think, the EV calculations are now correct... (since something definitely changed in the EV calculation in 06c).... but ICM only wrongly shows a 50/30/20/ structure.

The issue is being looked into, if the EV is now correct.

Tramflyer
03-27-2011, 05:35 AM
Here two screens from HM. Limit Fifty 5.24

It is a screen from HM 1.11.06b:
EV it is drawn on standard ICM 50-30-20. 473 tourneys = EV$ 225.31

http://savepic.net/841669m.jpg (http://savepic.net/841669.htm)


It is a screen from HM 1.11.06c:
EV it is drawn on new ICM 50/50. 473 tourneys = EV$ 225.42

http://savepic.net/849860m.jpg (http://savepic.net/849860.htm)

You think that this coincidence and lines EV for 473 tournaments almost completely repeat each other and as a result differ all on EV $0.11

Patvs
03-28-2011, 09:18 PM
Thanks for pics. Still seems to be something wrong.

The programmers are looking into this.

Tramflyer
03-30-2011, 07:20 AM
When there will be first results, you will write about them in this topic?

netsrak
03-30-2011, 09:09 AM
We will post it in the releases thread: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/releases/

Patvs
03-30-2011, 06:49 PM
It seems "that although we fixed the 50/50 payout structure it’s not possible to work out the correct EV based on the chip amounts like we do for normal SNGs so we just have to use the same EV calculations as the double or nothings so the EV isn’t going to be too accurate".

JTM
03-30-2011, 09:36 PM
Why that? With a 60-10-10-10-10 structure, the EV will be the most accurate. An EV based on the DoN structure ist absolutely worthless. Why don't you change it to 60-10-10-10-10?

Immortal-1337
03-31-2011, 09:41 AM
It seems "that although we fixed the 50/50 payout structure it’s not possible to work out the correct EV based on the chip amounts like we do for normal SNGs so we just have to use the same EV calculations as the double or nothings so the EV isn’t going to be too accurate".

That`s probably the most ridic thing i`ve read for a long time. First DoNs and 50/50s are WAY DIFFERENT. I`m pretty sure my evline would just go down if they are handled as DoNs(The actual 50/30/20 Payoutstructure would be much more accurate).

Also 50/50s got an unique rakestructure on stars, so you easily could read the head of an HH to define a tourney as a 50/50. Something like this:

If Buyin = 10.48$ then tournament = 10Dollarfiftyfifty

Then define the payoutstructure of a 10Dollarfiftyfifty:

Prizepool: 100$

1. 60$
2. 10$
3. 10$
4. 10$
5. 10$

Do that for every buyinlevel and problem solved.


I used to code a couple years ago, I still know the logic but not the syntax anymore and I`m 100% sure that this is supersimple for any good coder. So I don`t get it, why the fuck you need so long and now you say you can`t fix it(It`s almost 4 months or something since the 50/50s are out).

morny
04-01-2011, 11:06 AM
Hi guys, sorry for inconvenience and confusion, i talked with the developer and were going to change it to payout 60-10-10-10-10 structure, ill keep you updated

morny
04-01-2011, 01:13 PM
Ok weve updated this to use the 60/10/10/10 payout structure and unless there are complications it should be in the next build

wayneking7
04-01-2011, 06:03 PM
Since the last update that fixed the winning amounts recorded there now seems to be a different problem also.

HM is now getting the finish positions wrong. I notice someone else in the 2+2 thread say that whenever they finish ITM HM records it as a 1st finish position.

So i went back and checked a few of mine and noticed that i am also being recorded as 1st when i dont actually finish 1st. But its only in a few and not all for me.

I just dont understand how coding for this is so hard and takes so long. All the info is in the HH, how hard can it be to award the correct amount, recored the correct finish position and assign a 60/10/10/10/10 structure for ICM purposes.

Im no expert but im positive all these problems could be fixed by a competent coder in less than an hour. But somehow it takes over 4 months, and its still wrong.

I mean even sharkscope manages to get the awarded amounts and finish positions correct within 2 weeks of the official release of F50's but u guys still fuck it up.

Sorry if im abit narky but im just really frustrated that such an easy problem is just taking so long

morny
04-03-2011, 06:51 PM
We should have that fix in the next build too

MWI
04-05-2011, 11:18 AM
I have update with 06d.

I open in replayer a played hand and I see yet that ICM pay off as in usual SNG 50-30-20.

Is it a joke?

MrTynKyn
04-05-2011, 09:06 PM
I have update with 06d.

I open in replayer a played hand and I see yet that ICM pay off as in usual SNG 50-30-20.

Is it a joke?

So ....Is still RED EV line inacuratte ?

Sarek
04-06-2011, 07:01 AM
You need to reimport hands and summary

MWI
04-06-2011, 08:18 AM
You need to reimport hands and summary


I did it!!!

I've created a new database to reimport about 1000 games and ev lines are equal!

Before

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/24/beforexu.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/beforexu.jpg/)

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After

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2489/afterkl.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/afterkl.jpg/)

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netsrak
04-07-2011, 04:33 AM
I already pushed the bug. It seems like we only fixed some of the 50/50 tourney types (the turbos).

MWI
04-07-2011, 05:54 AM
All my games are turbo (3 min for blinds level) on Stars.it

Sarek
04-07-2011, 06:57 AM
When you d-loaded 06d? There was "fifty" addition 05 march

MWI
04-07-2011, 08:34 AM
I downloaded .06d 2 or 3 days ago from the link in home page under "NEWS & UPDATES"

MWI
04-07-2011, 09:18 AM
There was "fifty" addition 05 march

???

1.11.06b Released
Saturday March 5, 2011

1.11.06b Build Notes:

* Leak Buster Limit update
* Leak Buster No Limit update
* Table Scanner update fixing a couple sites not scanning properly
* Added support for Poker Stars Home Games
* Added support for Merge new SNG table names
* Added support for RUSH FTOP's
* Fixed Stars Deep tables
* Fixed issue where 9-10 max tables were causing seating pref issues




However, how can i fix?

Am i the only one who has not ICM 60/10/10/10/10?

I'm going crazy

Sarek
04-07-2011, 11:54 AM
One screen below:
1.11.06d Build Notes:
Updated build with Stars 50/50 finish potions fixed.
Leak Buster Updates
...
Fixed 50/50 ICM to use 60/10/10/10/10

MWI
04-07-2011, 01:30 PM
One screen below:
1.11.06d Build Notes:
Updated build with Stars 50/50 finish potions fixed.
Leak Buster Updates
...
Fixed 50/50 ICM to use 60/10/10/10/10

Ok, i know, but in your previous post you spoke about a fifty addition of 5 march and i posted the contents of release .06b of 5 march and it had not anything about fifty50.


In the .06d release contents, instead, there is also 50/50 ICM fixed with 60/10/10/10/10 as you've posted but...

...it still doesn't work!!!

As i said in the previous page, ICM Payout and ICM EV are still in 50/30/20 formula, despite the latest release says otherwise.



I already pushed the bug

So, we must wait for another release...

...this is a neverending story


It seems like we only fixed some of the 50/50 tourney types (the turbos).

Now that i think, even if my fifty games are turbo (3 minutes blinds increase), all the results in data view show a regular speed.

Why does this happen?

wayneking7
04-07-2011, 09:04 PM
I also seem to still be having problems after updating and creating new database and reimporting.

My redline for the old 50/30/20 is nearly exactly the same for the new 60/10/10/10/10. I have gone into the ICM calcs via the replayer and everything seems to be fine but just cant see how after 5k games my EV results for both are so similar in shape and end result.

Just doesnt seem right that they are so close.

here is a pic of results before and after:

BEFORE

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/5655/beforew.jpg (http://img543.imageshack.us/i/beforew.jpg/)


AFTER

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/9968/afterd.jpg (http://img860.imageshack.us/i/afterd.jpg/)


What u think?

Sarek
04-08-2011, 04:31 AM
My personal opinion is: some people pay too much attention to red line, but it/she don't deserve that. Don't worry, red and green meets each other... sometime in the future :)
The main point is green line has trend to increase.

Jaroz007
04-09-2011, 04:20 AM
That is a pretty non-sensical answer, since most Fifty50 players just want to know if their EV increases in the long run, and so far I have only seen EV curves that are breakeven, with winnings constantly going up. So something seems to not be correct. At least the curves don't seem to converge for 50s in the long run at this time.

MWI
04-10-2011, 07:01 AM
That is a pretty non-sensical answer, since most Fifty50 players just want to know if their EV increases in the long run

This!

Even if Sarek answer is interesting and certainly respectable, that is not the fact of the matter. I bought HM to see the EV line, not only that, but also. It's a feature of the software and I want to enjoy it, so far as i did with all my games

TrackinTornadoes
05-10-2011, 12:50 PM
Hi all,
I play on pokerstars.it and when I open in replayer a played hand, I see that ICM pay off as in usual SNG 50-30-20. The .06d update that fixed the winning amounts with 60-10-10-10-10 structure works only on pokerstars.com and it seems doesn’t work on pokerstars.it.

this changes the red line EV calculations or not? Can I trust my fifty50 red line or is BS now? :o

Patvs
05-10-2011, 07:57 PM
Please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

And reimport the hands into a new 1.11.06e1 database.

EV should be fixed now for Fifty50 on pokerstars.com
If you feel there may be something wrong with the pokerstars.it results, email us a handhistory to support@holdemmanager.com

TrackinTornadoes
05-11-2011, 03:10 AM
Please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

And reimport the hands into a new 1.11.06e1 database.

EV should be fixed now for Fifty50 on pokerstars.com
If you feel there may be something wrong with the pokerstars.it results, email us a handhistory to support@holdemmanager.com


Hi Pat,
I play on pokerstars.it and even with 1.11.06e1 F50s payout is 50-30-20. I sent my HHs yesterday.

Maxxxika
08-19-2011, 06:57 PM
Has any change happened to it? EV calculating is still wrong?

Patvs
08-19-2011, 08:05 PM
It's changed to 60-10-10-10-10.
Please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

Patvs
08-22-2011, 12:03 AM
Are you also importing the summary files?
Read the tournament summary section @ http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/6/PokerStarsSetup