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protraj
04-23-2020, 10:25 AM
Hello,

This hand seemed to calculate $0 all in adjusted EV but we were all in on the flop and hero had 73% EV. Is this a bug? Am I wrong that it should be higher?


PokerStars Hand #212346899369: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2020/04/22 22:20:53 ET
Table 'Cordelia' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: dwighttice24 ($1.87 in chips)
Seat 2: JPZ61 ($5.24 in chips)
Seat 3: sltroop78 ($1.94 in chips)
Seat 4: protraj ($3.92 in chips)
Seat 5: dajonesman1 ($2 in chips)
Seat 6: Dockman730 ($0.10 in chips)
dwighttice24: posts small blind $0.01
JPZ61: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to protraj [Kc Ad]
sltroop78: calls $0.02
protraj: raises $0.03 to $0.05
dajonesman1: folds
Dockman730: raises $0.03 to $0.08
dwighttice24: calls $0.07
JPZ61: calls $0.06
sltroop78: raises $1.86 to $1.94 and is all-in
protraj: calls $1.89
Dockman730: calls $0.02 and is all-in
dwighttice24: folds
JPZ61: calls $1.86
*** FLOP *** [4d Th Kd]
JPZ61: checks
protraj: bets $1.98 and is all-in
JPZ61: calls $1.98
*** TURN *** [4d Th Kd] [6d]
*** RIVER *** [4d Th Kd 6d] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JPZ61: shows [6h Kh] (two pair, Kings and Sixes)
protraj: shows [Kc Ad] (a pair of Kings)
JPZ61 collected $3.93 from side pot-2
sltroop78: shows [8h 8d] (a pair of Eights)
JPZ61 collected $5.27 from side pot-1
Dockman730: shows [3h 7d] (high card King)
JPZ61 collected $0.46 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $9.96 Main pot $0.46. Side pot-1 $5.27. Side pot-2 $3.93. | Rake $0.30
Board [4d Th Kd 6d Jc]
Seat 1: dwighttice24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: JPZ61 (big blind) showed [6h Kh] and won ($9.66) with two pair, Kings and Sixes
Seat 3: sltroop78 showed [8h 8d] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 4: protraj showed [Kc Ad] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: dajonesman1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Dockman730 (button) showed [3h 7d] and lost with high card King

udbrky
04-23-2020, 08:13 PM
It is because of the other player left to act.

Since it is flawed, we stopped calculating multi-way all-in EV.

HM3 uses the same Equity code as PT4 now which is more accurate and less biased than the code we used for Equity in HM2.

In a hand where a player is all-in but other players are not, net adjusted results are not calculated. When one player is all-in preflop and other players are not, then they usually have the option to act postflop and this means that sometimes one of them will fold. Having the option to fold* after another street is dealt means that in the long run there will be more strong hands which get to showdown and less weak hands. If we were to calculate net adjusted results in hands like this it would introduce a systematic bias (because there will be more known strong hands) so we exclude all hands like this from net adjusted calculations. You can read more about this here - https://www.pokertracker.com/blog/2011/10/the-problem-with-all-in-ev-all-in-equity

*Note: Attempting to calculate adjusted results when unknown but folded cards already called the all-in also introduce a bias into the results so HM3 does not make these calculations in any situation where a player calls the all-in and later folds (even if it's on the same street).