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BNTRL
12-18-2008, 06:45 PM
Hi,

I am a new user of HM. I was using PT3 before. I am searching for some stats that I had with PT3 but I can't seem to find in HM. I am looking for 3 stats, fold to 3-bet pre flop, 4-bet pre flop and fold to 4-bet pre flop. I can't find those stats. I have the 1.07 HM version.

Thank you for helping

morny
12-18-2008, 06:49 PM
In the Hud i presume? Hud options > Player Preferences > in available stats click the 3bet+ node and theyre all there

BNTRL
12-18-2008, 06:52 PM
The fold to 3-bet you have in that section is reffer to all street not only pre flop. I am searching for this stats for pre flop only. It's the same for 4-bet and fold to 4 bet.

Thank you

morny
12-18-2008, 07:05 PM
3bet and 4bet stats only refer to preflop, we dont use the term 3bet in any stats for post flop

BNTRL
12-18-2008, 07:39 PM
Ok then you will have to explain to me the difference i get from PT3 and HM. If i look at a certain player fold to 3-bet PF stats in PT3 I have him at 72% compare to 41% in HM. This is a huge différence so don't think that the stats fold to 3-bet that i see in my HM hud is only refer to PF since i get all this huge différence. This example apply for every player i look at. I have the same DB in both software. I just don't know what fold to 3-bet and fold to 4 bet mean in HM?

Thank you

morny
12-18-2008, 10:34 PM
In HM fold to 3bet is where you are the PFR and someone 3bets and you fold however in PT if MP 3bets UTG then MP, CO, Button & Blinds are all counted as folding to 3bet even though they werent the PFR, i think youll see HMs calculation is much more useful.

Al1
12-19-2008, 10:25 AM
For more informations: http://208.109.95.123/forum/showthread.php?t=4950

BNTRL
12-21-2008, 05:59 PM
Thanks for the explanation Morny,

I can see that there is also difference in stats between my 2 DB in 4bet PF and fold to 4bet PF. How is those stats calculate differently in HM compare to PT3?

Thank you

morny
12-22-2008, 05:53 PM
We calculate them the same as 3bet and only include hands where you 3bet and then someone 4bets and you fold.

We have a seperate stat that caclulates where someone cold 4bets i.e Player A raises, Player B 3bets and then player C 4bets, this would be counted as Raise to Raisers rather than 4bet, we feel its better to seperate from a standard 4bet as the dynamics are rather diffrerent.

This is why there is probably a difference although youll need to confirm with PT about fold to 4bet as they probably also include situations similar to fold to 3bet where if someone folds to a 4Bet even though they didnt 3bet they probably count that as a fold to 4bet but again im not sure on that