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Heiko
12-10-2008, 09:39 PM
hello,

today i startet to use hm. it looks like a very good program. but i am a little confused about the stat "fold to 3-bet". my numbers in pt3 are much higher then in hm. how is this stat calculatet and what is the different to pt3?

many greets
heiko

Al1
12-11-2008, 08:36 AM
hello,

today i startet to use hm. it looks like a very good program. but i am a little confused about the stat "fold to 3-bet". my numbers in pt3 are much higher then in hm. how is this stat calculatet and what is the different to pt3?

many greets
heiko

HM's "fold to 3bet" stats concerns the preflop round only (where it is useful ;)). Be sure your PT3 stat is the fold to 3bet "preflop" and not an overall stat.

Heiko
12-11-2008, 10:28 AM
hello Al1,

in my pt3 i also look for the stats "fold to PF 3bet". for example:

a player with more then 300k hands has in pt3 a number of 82.86 and in hm the number is 50,06. i think this is a very large different. and this differen looks to everyone so high.

is that only a problem from me or has somebody the same differences?

many greets

Al1
12-11-2008, 10:40 AM
hello Al1,

in my pt3 i also look for the stats "fold to PF 3bet". for example:

a player with more then 300k hands has in pt3 a number of 82.86 and in hm the number is 50,06. i think this is a very large different. and this differen looks to everyone so high.

is that only a problem from me or has somebody the same differences?

many greets

Can you try to give me the exact same sample. There is 130K hands less in PT3.

Heiko
12-11-2008, 11:03 AM
there is by no player the exact same number, but by 300k hands it makes no different i think. and the differents are by all other players too. mostly the differents are between 20-30%. i am the only one who has these diferences?

many greets

Al1
12-11-2008, 11:28 AM
there is by no player the exact same number, but by 300k hands it makes no different i think. and the differents are by all other players too. mostly the differents are between 20-30%. i am the only one who has these diferences?

many greets

Can you send me some HHs and I will test it here in HM and PT3.

Heiko
12-11-2008, 11:33 AM
should i send you the hh via email? please give me your emailadress.

Al1
12-11-2008, 11:39 AM
should i send you the hh via email? please give me your emailadress.

Yep, check your MP.

MarcusAS
12-11-2008, 11:40 AM
I got the same "problem". I have one player with 55.6% fold to 3bet according to HM and 70.86% according to PT3 while HM says 3bet percentage is 8.5 ("high 3bet percentage", "avg" is 5,6% <= how are these defined?!) and PT3 says 8.1.

Al1
12-11-2008, 11:55 AM
"high 3bet percentage", "avg" is 5,6% <= how are these defined?!

See this thread: http://208.109.95.123/forum/showthread.php?t=4717

Al1
12-11-2008, 03:05 PM
The answere about "fold to 3bet" is coming and will surprise a lot of people...

morny
12-11-2008, 04:53 PM
Hey,

Alain noticed the following error that appears to be calculated on the way PT3 calculate fold to 3bet and this is why there is a big difference. Roys also looked at this and confirmed this.

Holdem Manager calculates Fold to 3bet:
When facing a 3bet as the Pre flop raiser and you fold

PT3 calculates Fold to 3bet:
When facing a 3bet whether your the original raiser or not and you fold

So in a situation where UTG opens and MP 3bets then the person in CO, button and both blinds will all have their fold to 3bet stats effected. So looks like theyll need to fix that as its pretty useless in that scenario and youll probably need to reimport all your hands, not sure tbh so youll need to contact their support.