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fasteddie_21
12-09-2008, 03:04 PM
Ok, either I'm missing something obvious here or the EV calculation is wrong. I'm sure it's me, but here goes:

Using the below hand as an example, can someone explain this to me, please?:

***** Hand History for Game 9404403442 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 09, 10:29:46 ET 2008
Table Briggs (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Agent 714 ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 2: bobbri ( $197.20 USD )
Seat 3: CS8 ( $222.00 USD )
Seat 4: f0rs4ken ( $220.60 USD )
Seat 5: HERO( $242.00 USD )
Seat 6: Karugnin ( $201.25 USD )
bobbri posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
CS8 posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Tc Th ]
f0rs4ken folds
HERO raises [$8.00 USD]
Karugnin folds
Agent 714 raises [$27.00 USD]
bobbri folds
CS8 folds
HERO raises [$58.00 USD]
Agent 714 raises [$173.00 USD]
HERO calls [$134.00 USD]
Agent 714 shows [As, Qc ]
HERO shows [Tc, Th ]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 5h, 9h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
HERO wins $400.00 USD from main pot

Now, in the above hand, I got all the money in ($200 effective, or 100BB even) preflop as a 57% favorite and it held. So I profited $200. But in the "hands" tab, under EV $ Diff, it shows -$172.20.

Does this mean, that even though I got the money in as a 57% favorite, I should on win $27.80? If that is the case, can someone explain to me the useful-ness of the EV $ Diff stat/column? I must be missing something here.

I guess I expected that since I got it in as a >50% favorite, that my EV line in the graph would represent that. Since, I guess that's not the case, is there any plans on implimenting such a stat or whatnot for HEM and the graphing tab?

I hope that all that makes sense and you understand what I'm trying to get at...thanks!

Al1
12-09-2008, 03:24 PM
Imagine you are allin before the river and you have 50% chance to win the pot which is 100$ (only you and your opponent are contributed). If you win, you are +50$ net. But in this case, your EV diff will be -50$. By adding your net profit and the EV diff, you see what you are going to win in the long run from this pot. In this case 0$.

In your case, 57% of 400$ = 228$. Thus you make on the long run a 28$ net profit, because you have invested 200$ of your own money.
On the EV graph, it will grow by 28$.

fasteddie_21
12-31-2008, 12:09 PM
So, in the above example, it would graph something along the lines of this (assuming we won the first 2 flips, lost the 3rd then won the last 2)?

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3425/evie7.jpg

Just making sure that I understand this is all.

TIA.

Al1
01-01-2009, 04:26 PM
Yeha, considering for each hands the EV graph grows by 28$.

And for the EV diff (total):
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3773/evie7hq8.jpg

JackBileDuct
03-28-2009, 05:11 AM
Sorry to drag this thread back up but I want to confirm I understand the EV $ Diff.

Full Tilt Poker Game #11351377434: Table Stardust (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:59:37 ET - 2009/03/26
Seat 1: Lessar ($84.75)
Seat 2: JackBileDuct ($50)
Seat 3: KaZaMaZkA ($50.25)
Seat 4: lausy411 ($43)
Seat 5: ty4themoneyfish ($50)
Seat 6: pensfan1 ($36.55)
Lessar posts the small blind of $0.25
JackBileDuct posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JackBileDuct [Kh Ks]
KaZaMaZkA calls $0.50
lausy411 folds
pensfan1 calls $0.50
Lessar calls $0.25
JackBileDuct raises to $3.50
KaZaMaZkA raises to $11.50
pensfan1 folds
Lessar folds
JackBileDuct raises to $35.50
KaZaMaZkA raises to $50.25, and is all in
JackBileDuct calls $14.50, and is all in
KaZaMaZkA shows [Jh Jc]
JackBileDuct shows [Kh Ks]
Uncalled bet of $0.25 returned to KaZaMaZkA
*** FLOP *** [Ah 9c 8d]
*** TURN *** [Ah 9c 8d] [9d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah 9c 8d 9d] [8c]
KaZaMaZkA shows two pair, Jacks and Nines
JackBileDuct shows two pair, Kings and Nines
JackBileDuct wins the pot ($98) with two pair, Kings and Nines
KaZaMaZkA adds $49.75
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $101 | Rake $3

So it was a ~ $101 pot and I'm 82% to win so the EV is - $18.18 ( HM shows -$18.09 ) ? Ok that one is easy as it is ~ $100.

How about this one...


Full Tilt Poker Game #11374615199: Table Thomas (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:21:43 ET - 2009/03/28
Seat 1: Virt_23 ($65.15)
Seat 2: jupiter32 ($50)
Seat 3: Pete Cooper ($50)
Seat 4: McBull ($20.70)
Seat 5: tschock ($50.30)
Seat 6: JackBileDuct ($70.95)
jupiter32 posts the small blind of $0.25
Pete Cooper posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JackBileDuct [Ks Kc]
McBull raises to $1.50
tschock folds
JackBileDuct raises to $5.25
jupiter32 adds $0.25
Virt_23 folds
jupiter32 folds
Pete Cooper adds $0.50
Pete Cooper folds
McBull calls $3.75
*** FLOP *** [5d 8d Jh]
McBull has 15 seconds left to act
McBull bets $15.45, and is all in
JackBileDuct calls $15.45
McBull shows [9s Js]
JackBileDuct shows [Ks Kc]
*** TURN *** [5d 8d Jh] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [5d 8d Jh 6c] [4d]
McBull shows a pair of Jacks
JackBileDuct shows a pair of Kings
JackBileDuct wins the pot ($40.05) with a pair of Kings
McBull is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $42.15 | Rake $2.10

So I look at the pot after rake, $40.05 and I am 76.8 % which is a EV $ Diff of - $9.29?

Like I said sorry to bring this back up I'm just trying to make sure I have my head wrapped around this correctly. Seeing the minus in the EV $ Diff when reviewing the session feels odd but I guess only because when I see EV I think EV rather than the difference.

Al1
03-28-2009, 06:57 AM
Yeha, this is correct.

From the 40.05$ pot, you will win in the long run: 40.05 *.768 = 30.76$

In this hand, you have won the 40.05$, thus 9.29$ in "excess".

And 40.05 + (- 9.29) = 30.76$