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nbenitus
03-20-2014, 06:19 PM
Hi!

I am a satellites player (SNGs starting with 10 BBs) and I am trying to figure how wide the Big Blind is calling me when I shove on him from the small blind position.

I tried the following stats, but I don't think the numbers are correct.

Fold BB vs Steal From Small Blind Hero
BB call vs SB Hero

Questions:

1. Does an open shove count as a steal?
2. Is there a way to have the "BB call vs SB Hero" - BB calls limp from SB Hero

Thank you in advance!

NBenitus

Patvs
03-20-2014, 10:35 PM
1. Yes.

2. BB calls limp? You mean BB calls shove from SB hero right?
This stat doesn't exist in HM1.

In HM2 the closest stat is: BB Call vs SB Hero (but this is not necessarily vs a 'shove')

And there is a SB Open Shove (9-14 big blinds) stat.
But not a Call vs SB Open Shove (9-14 big blinds) stat

nbenitus
03-20-2014, 10:44 PM
Thank you Patvs for the quick answer!

When you say "In HM2 the closest stat is: BB Call vs SB Hero (but this is not necessarily vs a 'shove')", does "BB Call" include checking behind the SB limping?

Patvs
03-20-2014, 11:31 PM
No, it's only calling a raise.

There is no real stat for how often the big blind will check.
HM2 does have a stat how often the big blind will raise, if the small blind limps.

nbenitus
03-20-2014, 11:56 PM
I am a bit confused. May I ask what is the difference between the two stats?

Fold BB vs Steal From Small Blind Hero
BB call vs SB Hero

Thanks again!

Patvs
03-21-2014, 06:17 AM
BB Call vs SB Hero (=basically BB Call vs a raise from the SB Hero)


A steal is not the same as a raise.

It only qualifies as a steal, if the player is first to act. (there cannot be any limpers already in the hand)
With a 'raise', other players who limped in earlier positions are allowed. So if under the gun limps, the small blind raises (or shoves)... and the big blind folds, it qualifies as a BB Fold vs SB Hero (but not as a Fold BB vs Steal From Small Blind Hero)

nbenitus
03-21-2014, 02:06 PM
Makes sense now :). Thank you again!