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TonyM
11-23-2008, 11:14 AM
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9774/holdemmanagergraphye3.jpg (http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=holdemmanagergraphye3.jpg)

EV - "Showdown Winnings" = ~12K

Can anybody tell me if this is just bad luck, or do i read the graph wrong?

Al1
11-23-2008, 11:29 AM
What's your game? FR, 6m, HU. L or NL?

TonyM
11-23-2008, 11:35 AM
hand 1 to 50K: 6max: NL10, NL25, NL50
-> 113K: 6max: NL50, NL100 and HU: NL50, NL100
-> 140K: 6max/HU: NL50
now: NL10, NL20 HU

etotheo
11-23-2008, 02:04 PM
Just out of curiosity.
What is your aggression numbers by street (both percentage and factor)?
Also, what are your WTSD% and W\$SD% numbers?

TonyM
11-23-2008, 02:14 PM
Just out of curiosity.
What is your aggression numbers by street (both percentage and factor)?
Also, what are your WTSD% and W\$SD% numbers?

6max NL50, NL100 (over 112K hands):

WTSD% 34.6
W\$SD% 47.9

Agg 2.11
Agg% 29.7
(overall, not by street)

TonyM
11-23-2008, 02:19 PM
Can I say that this graph shows that I run 12K under my expected winnings?
Or do I just suck at poker ;)

Al1
11-23-2008, 03:06 PM
6max NL50, NL100 (over 112K hands):

WTSD% 34.6
W\$SD% 47.9

Agg 2.11
Agg% 29.7
(overall, not by street)

Generally, WTSD is around 25 in 6max games. 34.6 is for calling station generally.
The W\$SD is generally around 50. Your W\$SD is a little bit low in comparison to average but very high I think if I compare it to WTSD.

I can't give you a diagnostic just with this information. But I encourage that you read Articles from HoldemManager, especially the 3 firsts.

TonyM
11-23-2008, 03:27 PM
thx for the advice Al1, I know I have called too much on the river trying to catch bluffs ...

but my question is if this equation applies to Holdem Manager Graphs :
"Showdownwinnings" (blue line) - "All-In EV" (thin green line)= X

if X > 0 => luck
if X < 0 => bad luck

?

Al1
11-23-2008, 04:14 PM
thx for the advice Al1, I know I have called too much on the river trying to catch bluffs ...

but my question is if this equation applies to Holdem Manager Graphs :
"Showdownwinnings" (blue line) - "All-In EV" (thin green line)= X

if X > 0 => luck
if X < 0 => bad luck

?

The bold green line is where you are. If all was "in harmony" with equity when you were in allin pots, you would be on the no-bold line. Thus in your graph, you don't run well with your allin pots.

Nevertheless, take a look at this post, the all-in EV is not something you have to take like "here is my true winning". It only show you how you run in your all in pots: All in EV does not represent much (http://208.109.95.123/forum/showthread.php?t=4355)

pellshek
11-23-2008, 06:38 PM
How on earth is OP winning so much in non-SD pots with such (relatively) modest aggro numbers? I find this very strange. (I don't mean this in a nasty way by the way - just wondering because high winnings in non-SD pots are usually associated with higher aggro than 2/29%)

TonyM
11-24-2008, 03:10 AM
How on earth is OP winning so much in non-SD pots with such (relatively) modest aggro numbers? I find this very strange. (I don't mean this in a nasty way by the way - just wondering because high winnings in non-SD pots are usually associated with higher aggro than 2/29%)

high non-SD:
1. high preflop 3bet/4bet :D
2. high pfr on the button
3. call with weak 1 pair hands or ace high on the river (trying to catch a bluff), but constantly loosing against better 1 pair hands :(

TonyM
11-24-2008, 03:14 AM
the all-in EV is not something you have to take like "here is my true winning". It only show you how you run in your all in pots: All in EV does not represent much (http://208.109.95.123/forum/showthread.php?t=4355)

ok, now I understand that All-In EV in Holdem Manager is not the same as Slansky-Bucks in PokerEV ...

thank you