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Adrian20XX
11-20-2008, 02:54 AM
Is not a bug, I know, but wanted to say that All In EV does not represent much, may be you can think of something that better represents the expected value of a hand (I know it's almost impossible, as you would had to consider the possible scenarios on future streets regarding bettings).

I post this hand as an example. I've put $120 as a huge favorite and only $12 as a huge underdog. And, I was outdraw at the river, where we checked it.

So I lost $132, and the All In EV is zero, but I want something to reflect if I'm running like a luckbox or not, and certailny is not All In EV.

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter (http://www.stoxpoker.com/hand_history_converter/) by Stoxpoker (http://www.stoxpoker.com/)

CO: $430 (215 bb)
BTN: $205.90 (103 bb)
SB: $463 (231.5 bb)
BB: $277.10 (138.6 bb)
UTG+2: $69 (34.5 bb)
MP1: $158.15 (79.1 bb)
MP2: $584.40 (292.2 bb)
Hero (MP3): $201.80 (100.9 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 9d 7d
UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $2, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, SB raises to $12, 2 folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($28) 9h 7s 2h (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20

Turn: ($68) Tc (2 players)
SB bets $30, Hero raises to $100, SB calls $70

River: ($268) Th (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Results: $268 pot ($3 rake)
Hero showed 9d 7d (two pairs, Tens and Nines) and lost (-$132 net)
SB showed Ks Kh (two pairs, Kings and Tens) and won $265 ($133 net)

morny
11-20-2008, 01:58 PM
Yeah i agree, were aware of this and have already stated well look into adding an alternative stat thats more representative of all the streets however its quite a conplicated job to implement this and we have alot of big improvements in the timeline, to speed the progress along add your support here: http://holdemmanager.uservoice.com/

Al1
11-20-2008, 02:56 PM
Agree entirely.

Adrian20XX
11-22-2008, 12:49 PM
were aware of this and have already stated well look into adding an alternative stat thats more representative of all the streets however its quite a conplicated job
I have zero doubt is a complicated job, and one of the main points that I have zero clue how to do it is in the hands that do not get to showdown.

BTW, can you point to were there was the discussion were you said you are looking at more representative stats? I want to read that

TIA & Regards ...

morny
11-22-2008, 01:49 PM
Well not sure where it is as its a big forum, if you have the patients to search all in EV and go through all the posts im sure youll find it however theres nothing really to read other than what i already mentioned, basically i just said in response to a similar thread that we will introduce a stat that represents all streets and make allowance for the % Equity compared to the % of the stack bet on that street, it wasnt a discussion but rather a statement in response to a question