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Sickest Call
02-12-2011, 11:54 PM
Hi all, not sure if this question belongs here, but it is to do with making use of the HUD stats in order to spot a fish.

I play $0.50/1 on full tilt. I generally look at a player's VPIP as a first indicator of how fishy someone is. What I really want to identify is the players who overplay their hands and don't lay down when they should. E.g. Who will pay me off with top pair when I flop overpairs/sets?

Which of the following stats are helpful in determining whether a player overplays? And what sort of numbers will tell me so? This is assuming I have a lot of data on a player like 500+ hands

VPIP
Aggression factor
Won $ when seen flop
Won $ at showdown
Went to showdown

I'm guessing 'went to showdown' is quite important. But if it's a high %, how do you know whether this is a fish who calls down too much, or just someone whose really good at hand reading?

Obviously I also take notes during my games and I can sometimes spot fish by looking at shown down hands. But I'm wondering, if I purely had to rely on the HUD stats, what sort of numbers I should be looking for

Patvs
02-13-2011, 02:40 AM
VPIP/PFR combo:
A player with a LOW PFR who raises (combined with a LOW VPIP), is more likely to have a AQ type of hand (flopping top pair), or even an overpair to the board. So you should be able to extract lots of value if you have a set.

HIGH VPIP / HIGH PFR: if this player is involved in the hand, it's difficult to determine if he will pay you off. But his Aggression Factor should help you how you should play your hand. If it's LOW <1.5. You should do all the betting yourself. If it's HIGH >2.5, you should consider to let him do the betting for you.

Went to showdown is important: since if it's HIGH, this player will CHASE any DRAW on the flop. HIGH VPIP + HIGH Went to Showdown is always a fish.

Similarly Aggression Factor can tell you HOW the player handles his draws.
LOW AGG: he only bets a MADE hand (doesn't bluff), and calls with his draws
HIGH AGG: he's capable to bet and even raise his draws, he semi-bluffs, bluffs, probe-bets, c-bets, donkbets, etc.

Fold to Flop C-bet / Fold to Turn C-bet: This should help you if you will be able to extract three streets of value from the opponent. If you do all the betting and his Fold to Turn C-bet is LOW, you can make a three-street plan to fully commit him on the river. If it's HIGH. You can check the turn to extract money from him on the river.

Similarly ALL stats above: help you if you should make 3/4 POT, POT (or even OVERBET pot) sized bets, or make smaller 1/2, 2/3 pot sized bets.

Sickest Call
02-13-2011, 09:23 AM
Thank you for the advice. What classes as a high went to showdown %? I'm not sure how to colour code my HUD.

Patvs
02-14-2011, 01:39 AM
FULL RING NL100: TIGHT PLAYER: Went to Showdown = 26%

6max:
http://nl.pokernews.com/files/cnt/4b642a31efa4f.jpg

pwnurfaceoff
02-20-2011, 06:55 PM
is there a color code chart for fullring nlhe?

RanGoot
02-22-2011, 04:51 PM
is there a color code chart for fullring nlhe?

the colours would be the same for all the stats except vpip and pfr.
reduce these numbers by about 25%

lovedrunksex
03-20-2011, 09:04 AM
FULL RING NL100: TIGHT PLAYER: Went to Showdown = 26%

6max:
http://nl.pokernews.com/files/cnt/4b642a31efa4f.jpg

May i know what does orange ,yellow red stands for?
thanks.

Patvs
03-20-2011, 10:39 AM
Red = optimal value = very difficult to exploit
Orange = near optimal (slightly too tight/loose) = but still difficult to exploit

Yellow = too tight/too loose = easy to exploit = but difficult to make money from (so although a huge leak, not very profitable)

Green = too tight/too loose = easy to exploit = very profitable

lovedrunksex
03-20-2011, 11:35 AM
ic. thanks