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11-12-2008, 12:38 PM

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poker_limit

11-12-2008, 12:38 PM

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Al1

11-12-2008, 02:51 PM

edit (just added the question :)): whats the means between 4bet% and 4bet range

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Hi,

Generally, when you 4bet somebody, you have previoulsy "Raise 1st" ("2bet") and have been Reraise ("3bet").

Thus, when you raise the first time, your "Raise 1st" % equals the % of hand you raise among all the hands you are dealt. Ok?

Ex: If you "Raise 1st" UTG in 6max games 10% of the time, that means you are raising 10% of 100% of the hands your are dealt. Ok?

Now, when you face a 3bet and decide to 4bet, the "4bet" % is the % you raise this 3bet from your "Raise 1st" range (10%).

Ex: Same "Raise 1st" as before, you are 3betted. And you will 4bet, say 30% (random choice by me) of your "Raise 1st" range.

Here your 4bet% is 30% of your "Raise 1st" range

But what percentage those 30% represent among all the hands you are dealt:

Only 30% of 10%, which is 3%, and this is what "4bet range" calculate!

It's more easy to associate are range to 3% than 30% of 10%, which is generally JJ+, AK+

(those numbers are just examples and not accurate, the reasoning is correct :))

Ok?

p.s.: You can find explanations on every stats here: http://208.109.95.123/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

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Hi,

Generally, when you 4bet somebody, you have previoulsy "Raise 1st" ("2bet") and have been Reraise ("3bet").

Thus, when you raise the first time, your "Raise 1st" % equals the % of hand you raise among all the hands you are dealt. Ok?

Ex: If you "Raise 1st" UTG in 6max games 10% of the time, that means you are raising 10% of 100% of the hands your are dealt. Ok?

Now, when you face a 3bet and decide to 4bet, the "4bet" % is the % you raise this 3bet from your "Raise 1st" range (10%).

Ex: Same "Raise 1st" as before, you are 3betted. And you will 4bet, say 30% (random choice by me) of your "Raise 1st" range.

Here your 4bet% is 30% of your "Raise 1st" range

But what percentage those 30% represent among all the hands you are dealt:

Only 30% of 10%, which is 3%, and this is what "4bet range" calculate!

It's more easy to associate are range to 3% than 30% of 10%, which is generally JJ+, AK+

(those numbers are just examples and not accurate, the reasoning is correct :))

Ok?

p.s.: You can find explanations on every stats here: http://208.109.95.123/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

jzimring

01-30-2009, 04:50 PM

Hi,

Generally, when you 4bet somebody, you have previoulsy "Raise 1st" ("2bet") and have been Reraise ("3bet").

Thus, when you raise the first time, your "Raise 1st" % equals the % of hand you raise among all the hands you are dealt. Ok?

Ex: If you "Raise 1st" UTG in 6max games 10% of the time, that means you are raising 10% of 100% of the hands your are dealt. Ok?

Now, when you face a 3bet and decide to 4bet, the "4bet" % is the % you raise this 3bet from your "Raise 1st" range (10%).

Ex: Same "Raise 1st" as before, you are 3betted. And you will 4bet, say 30% (random choice by me) of your "Raise 1st" range.

Here your 4bet% is 30% of your "Raise 1st" range

But what percentage those 30% represent among all the hands you are dealt:

Only 30% of 10%, which is 3%, and this is what "4bet range" calculate!

It's more easy to associate are range to 3% than 30% of 10%, which is generally JJ+, AK+

(those numbers are just examples and not accurate, the reasoning is correct :))

Ok?

p.s.: You can find explanations on every stats here: http://208.109.95.123/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

I'm confused. Isn't what you described above PFR multiplied by 4bet%, not PFR divided by 4bet%?

In all the documentation, it says divided by, but your example seems to indicate otherwise?

Thanks!

Generally, when you 4bet somebody, you have previoulsy "Raise 1st" ("2bet") and have been Reraise ("3bet").

Thus, when you raise the first time, your "Raise 1st" % equals the % of hand you raise among all the hands you are dealt. Ok?

Ex: If you "Raise 1st" UTG in 6max games 10% of the time, that means you are raising 10% of 100% of the hands your are dealt. Ok?

Now, when you face a 3bet and decide to 4bet, the "4bet" % is the % you raise this 3bet from your "Raise 1st" range (10%).

Ex: Same "Raise 1st" as before, you are 3betted. And you will 4bet, say 30% (random choice by me) of your "Raise 1st" range.

Here your 4bet% is 30% of your "Raise 1st" range

But what percentage those 30% represent among all the hands you are dealt:

Only 30% of 10%, which is 3%, and this is what "4bet range" calculate!

It's more easy to associate are range to 3% than 30% of 10%, which is generally JJ+, AK+

(those numbers are just examples and not accurate, the reasoning is correct :))

Ok?

p.s.: You can find explanations on every stats here: http://208.109.95.123/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

I'm confused. Isn't what you described above PFR multiplied by 4bet%, not PFR divided by 4bet%?

In all the documentation, it says divided by, but your example seems to indicate otherwise?

Thanks!

TierTier

01-30-2009, 06:25 PM

I'm confused. Isn't what you described above PFR multiplied by 4bet%, not PFR divided by 4bet%?

In all the documentation, it says divided by, but your example seems to indicate otherwise?

Thanks!

.3*.1 = .3/10

Just two ways of describing the same thing.

In all the documentation, it says divided by, but your example seems to indicate otherwise?

Thanks!

.3*.1 = .3/10

Just two ways of describing the same thing.

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