luck adjusted in SnG's?

[l1ttledb]

hey,

I grind SnG's and am pretty dissapointed in my play EV wise.. is the red line on the graph suppose to be the same as the $Ev won column in the data sheet?

if so then i think i have a problem.. if you look at the below picture you can see my stats page with my red ev line.. in the last tournament i played i should have gained 18 EV dollars goin by the stats page but on the graph i only gained 7?

let me know if i have this totally wrong :) , at least then i'll know i'm running extremely well..

cheers

EDIT: when i export my results to excel to make my own graph the $EV won line in excel has different figures than in my stats page in HM, like where hm's stats have me up $10EV the excel has me ( one the same tourney ) down -$5EV.

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[l1ttledb]

on a side note,

can someone explain where Hm is gettin a minus $ev on this hand?

in wiz, it has a +3.5% equity gain when the villain is given the appropriate range, meaning in the long run or my "expected value" would be +$3.89.

even if he's shoving 13% its a profitable call..

if we both start at say $16 ish Eq pre and you run a quick simulation in your head, i win 2/3's of the time so over 100 times i gain say $14x64 = $896 and i lose $16x34 = $576.. difference is +$320.

where is HM getting these ( as far as i can see incorrect ) figures?

Full Tilt Poker Game #11111111111: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (2011111111), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:36:35 ET - 2010/12/30
Seat 2: villain1 (1,440)
Seat 4: hero (1,340)
Seat 6: villain2 (3,675)
Seat 8: villain3 (7,045)
villain1 posts the small blind of 60
hero posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ah Qd]
villain2 folds
villain3 folds
villain1 raises to 1,440, and is all in
hero calls 1,220, and is all in
villain1 shows [8h Ts]
hero shows [Ah Qd]
Uncalled bet of 100 returned to villain1
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9d 2d]
*** TURN *** [Ks 9d 2d] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9d 2d 4c] [Ac]
villain1 shows Ace King high
hero shows a pair of Aces
hero wins the pot (2,680) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,680 | Rake 0
Board: [Ks 9d 2d 4c Ac]
Seat 2: villain1 (small blind) showed [8h Ts] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 4: hero (big blind) showed [Ah Qd] and won (2,680) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: villain2 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: villain3 didn't bet (folded)

[netsrak]

We had some problems with the EV calculations in the latest versions.
In 1.11.05e this should be fixed.
http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

Please update to 1.11.05e, create a new database, import the above tourney/hands and compare the results.

FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: EV Explained (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/EV+Explained)

[Patvs]

Full Tilt Poker Game #11111111111: $11 + $1 Sit & Go (Turbo) (2011111111), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:36:35 ET - 2010/12/30
Seat 2: villain1 (1,440)
Seat 4: hero (1,340)
Seat 6: villain2 (3,675)
Seat 8: villain3 (7,045)
villain1 posts the small blind of 60
hero posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ah Qd]
villain2 folds
villain3 folds
villain1 raises to 1,440, and is all in
hero calls 1,220, and is all in
villain1 shows [8h Ts]
hero shows [Ah Qd]
Uncalled bet of 100 returned to villain1
*** FLOP *** [Ks 9d 2d]
*** TURN *** [Ks 9d 2d] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [Ks 9d 2d 4c] [Ac]
villain1 shows Ace King high
hero shows a pair of Aces
hero wins the pot (2,680) with a pair of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,680 | Rake 0
Board: [Ks 9d 2d 4c Ac]
Seat 2: villain1 (small blind) showed [8h Ts] and lost with Ace King high
Seat 4: hero (big blind) showed [Ah Qd] and won (2,680) with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: villain2 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: villain3 didn't bet (folded)
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You don't gain all his equity if you win this hand.
Most equity is distributed among villain 2 and villain 3. It's actually irrelevant who wins the hand, since either outcome guarantees the two bigstacks (villain 2 and villain 3) to make it into the money.

HoldemManager uses the ICM model.
Where is HM showing -EV???
It should show a negative EV Diff but that's only because you won the hand, having a 36% chance to lose.
Had you lost the hand this EV Diff would be positive.

[l1ttledb]

hey thanks for they reply, yeah i know i dont gain it all i was doin a quick workthrough in my head, but thanks for the explanation on the minus EV display.. makes a bit more sense now ;) i really need to learn more!

@netsrak.. I'm already using that version.. as it happens i had to do a full format do to a virus/worm.. so this is a new database on a new version and i still can't see why some of my ev gains aren't represented.

thanks guys

[l1ttledb]

could someone look at my red line.. im really convinced there is something wrong.. im running like $800 above ev over 1k games.. thats massive

[netsrak]

Please mail us the original hands with link to this thread and explanation to support@holdemmanager.com

[l1ttledb]

Please mail us the original hands with link to this thread and explanation to support@holdemmanager.com

sent.. thanks netsrak

[es3et]

We had some problems with the EV calculations in the latest versions.
In 1.11.05e this should be fixed.
http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

Please update to 1.11.05e, create a new database, import the above tourney/hands and compare the results.

FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: EV Explained (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/EV+Explained)

Hi, I'm having the very same problem as OP, so i thought i'd just reply here instead of creating another thread.

I play SNG's, too, and there is something wrong with my $EV graph.

I exported all hands ( most of which were tracked with 1.11.05d ), updated to 1.11.05e, created a new database and re-imported all hands, but the graph is still the same ! ( tried this 3 times, graph is always the same )

What else can i do to fix my $EV graph ? ( It's obviously flawed, since some tournaments with huge overall +$EV outcome generate negative bends in the EV-curve )

I noticed that the $EV-graph of SNG's tracked with 1.11.05c seems to be correct - will downgrading to 1.11.05c help, and if so, how can i re-install 1.11.05c without losing my settings ( HUD etc. ) ?

Thx for your help :)

[Patvs]

EV in 1.11.05c and 1.11.5e should be the same.

It's possible your exported hands caused the problem. Can you create a NEW empty database, importing the original handhistories in 1.11.05e?

If the results then still are the same, email us an example of a SNG where you think the results are wrong to support@holdemmanager.com