CaddyScatter Preflop scores

[thesuit]

Where can I find or test caddyscatter preflop scores? The only document I can find leads me to: NoteCaddy General Strength - Assaultware Wiki (http://wiki.assaultware.com/NoteCaddy-General-Strength.ashx)

This document suggests preflop hands are scored 1-169, when on caddyscatter they only go up to 100. I have filtered the graph to only include preflop.

All I get from test environment is a label like "medium". I need to specifically know exactly which numbers correspond to which hands.

Thanks for any help.

[sreticentv]

AA = 169
72 = 1

You can also look up any value via the definition editor in the flop->range tab. Just type the cards and it will tell you the number

For caddy scatter they are scaled down to 1-100 so that points from all streets can be displayed


AA,
KK,
QQ,
AKs,
JJ,
AK,
AQs,
KQs,
TT,
AJs,
KJs,
JTs,
QJs,
QTs,
99,
ATs,
KTs,
88,
T9s,
J9s,
77,
98s,
Q9s,
66,
A9s,
K9s,
T8s,
55,
A5s,
54s,
44,
A8s,
87s,
33,
65s,
22,
AQ,
A4s,
J8s,
A3s,
76s,
97s,
A7s,
KQ,
A2s,
Q8s,
86s,
K8s,
A6s,
75s,
T7s,
53s,
64s,
K7s,
AJ,
KJ,
43s,
QJ,
96s,
JT,
J7s,
K6s,
K5s,
QT,
85s,
Q7s,
KT,
AT,
K4s,
K3s,
K2s,
74s,
T6s,
52s,
Q6s,
63s,
Q5s,
Q4s,
42s,
Q3s,
95s,
J6s,
J5s,
32s,
Q2s,
T9,
J4s,
84s,
T5s,
J3s,
T4s,
73s,
J2s,
J9,
T3s,
T2s,
62s,
94s,
93s,
92s,
83s,
Q9,
A9,
98,
82s,
T8,
K9,
72s,
54,
87,
A8,
A5,
65,
A4,
76,
J8,
97,
A3,
A7,
A2,
86,
A6,
Q8,
75,
53,
K8,
T7,
64,
K7,
43,
96,
K6,
J7,
85,
K5,
Q7,
K4,
K3,
74,
52,
T6,
Q6,
K2,
Q5,
42,
63,
Q4,
95,
Q3,
J6,
J5,
32,
Q2,
J4,
T5,
84,
J3,
J2,
T4,
73,
T3,
T2,
94,
62,
93,
92,
83,
82,
72

[thesuit]

Thanks for your response.

FYI: I was having a problem with this test procedure. When I type "AcAh", it accepts the input but gives the wrong value without warning. The correct input should be "Ac Ah". You may want to change this or add an error.

I note that there will be very little difference in the scatter graph between hands such as TT, AK, and AA. AA is so much better than AK, yet on the scattergraph AA will be 100, AKs and JJ will be 98. Likewise, I think 9c9h will be around 92/100(by scaling the 1-169 figures) and AhQh 96/100

I was hoping to easily differentiate hands like AQ, AK, AA, KK, QQ.

Is there any hope in changing this numbering system on the scattergraph or displaying holecards when you hover over certain points on the graph? Even minor changes such as ensuring that every hand has a different value would help. So AA 100, KK 99, QQ 98, AKs 97 etc....... the weaker hand values can overlap. The point is to be able to differentiate the top end more clearly and seeing if there are trash hands when a fish 3bet shoves for instance.

As an example, its not possible to see if a player only 3bet shoves for his stack with only AK and nothing else.

[sreticentv]

Sorry but at this time there are no plans to make that customizable. I suggest using the spark graphs along with $cardrange in some regular note definitions if you're interested in that level of detail.

[DenverDave]

Hi Sreticantv,

I had this same kind of question but from a different POV:
If I take all the hands you posted and put them in a spreadsheet, I see 169 hands. What algorithm was used by Development to compact them to 100?

I too want to know if I hover over a Scatter data point and I see how big the bet was in relation to the pot AND what that hand was. I would love to see that actual hand in the hover. But as you said in your last note that is not on the horizon. So I am happy to have a file off to the side of NC and look it up myself. If I see a HS of 72, I can go to my cheat sheet and know what hand(s) equal that.

I nice enhancement would be to bring up that hand in the replayer?

Thanks
Dave

[HossendeHaai]

You can display about everything you want right under the CaddyScatter using Note Definitions. Just make definitions for flopbet, flopraise etc... You can breakdown the bet/raise-sizes in as many increments you want, this can even include the option to replay the hands.

[DenverDave]

Hi HossendeHaai,

But how do you find out what cards represent a 72% hand in a Scatter graph? I was hoping that Sreticentv(sorry about misspelling your name bud) would be able to tell me where the overlaps are on the 169 vs 100 hands? Can you tell me that? And can you tell me what changes need to be made to have a scatter data point that is being hovered over open the replayer? Or is that just for the Scatter graphs?

Thanks
Dave

[thesuit]

One method that shouldnt be too difficult to implement is to have the scores scaled for the graph as they currently are and keep the real data paired with these new values. When hovering over a point, it could display the real paired value ranging from 1-169.

I can totally understand why you need to scale but it really makes the data less valuable. Alternatively when we isolate to just preflop hands it could revert to the unscaled 1-169 data?

[sreticentv]

Can you tell me that?


(VALUE x 100) / 169 then round to the nearest full number



And can you tell me what changes need to be made to have a scatter data point that is being hovered over open the replayer? Or is that just for the Scatter graphs?


You want to know which programming changes need to be made? There is no option to open a replayer from the scatter graph

[sreticentv]

It's pretty much like HossendeHaai says, if you need very granular details then the scatter graph is not the place to be looking. You should look at individual definitions. The scatter graph is something that should give you some idea of how someone plays in about 2 seconds

[DenverDave]

Sreticentv:

Thanks to you and thesuit and HossendeHaai. The formula above should really help me get a better feel for the cards they played. I agree that this is not the intent behind the scatter graph, yet I wanted to glean something more substantial like the hand they played vs. something more vague. That is my opinion.

And forget opening the replayer from the Scatter graph. That would be way TOO hard to do and I am not even a developer :)

Thanks again!
Call this one closed IMHO!
Dave