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Sonit
10-04-2010, 12:42 AM
Hello, i have HM v. 1.11.05 Beta 17
And i have the following problem:
I am playing 6+0.25 HU turbo sngs at Pokerstars, but HM imports them as 4 man MTT with normal speed.
This is ok, but EV calculations are wrong, or i can't understand them at all...
For example i played sng, where i went all in only 1 time:
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 6.25 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars (http://www.flopturnriver.com/reviews/Online-Poker-PokerStars.php#converter) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

Hero (SB) (t1510)
BB (t1490)

Hero's M: 33.56

Preflop: Hero is SB with Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif
Hero bets t75, BB raises to t210, Hero raises to t450, BB calls t240

Flop: (t900) Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/spade.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets t210, Hero calls t210

Turn: (t1320) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets t450, Hero raises to t850 (All-In), BB calls t380 (All-In)

River: (t2980) 5http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t2980

Results:
Hero had Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/heart.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (two pair, Kings and fives).
BB had 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif, 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/diamond.gif (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero won t2980

As we see, i went all in at the turn and i had about 75% equity to win the pot.
So i should have about 0.7*12=8.4 EV for this match, so at least +2.25 EV for this all in (i don't count my 20 chips i have behind)
But HM says, that this is 0 EV for me (12-5.96 = 6.04):
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/8579/resultskb.jpg (http://img408.imageshack.us/i/resultskb.jpg/)

Here is the 4 man picture:
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4109/resultshr.jpg (http://img191.imageshack.us/i/resultshr.jpg/)

I've attached the whole HH of this tournament below.
So explain me, where i wrong, or what should i do that HM starts count EV right.
Thank you, Dmitry.

starise
10-04-2010, 01:08 AM
Hello, i have HM v. 1.11.05 Beta 17
I am playingHU turbo sngs at Pokerstars, but HM imports them as 4 man MTT with normal speed.
Same here. About speed, Since using HEM, all stars tournament are always been recognized as Normal instead Turbo. I think it's a stars client problem; not serious after all.

Patvs
10-04-2010, 02:55 AM
Your equity is 75% to win $12. AND 25% to end up with $0.

So your EV is 0.75*12 = +$9.
You actually won the hand (=$12)
So the EV Diff should be -$3.




The EV is currently wrong, because HM thinks it's a $4 SNG with $24 (instead of $12) in the total prizepool.

Can you email the attached handhistory to support@holdemmanager.com with a link to think thread.

Sonit
10-04-2010, 03:30 AM
Your equity is 75% to win $12. AND 25% to end up with $0.

So your EV is 0.75*12 = +$9.
You actually won the hand (=$12)
So the EV Diff should be -$3.

Yes, i mean that.




The EV is currently wrong, because HM thinks it's a $4 SNG with $24 (instead of $12) in the total prizepool.

Why HM thinks so? Is it so hard to recognize Heads-ups?



Can you email the attached handhistory to support@holdemmanager.com with a link to think thread.
Done.

Patvs
10-04-2010, 03:43 AM
I mean it wrongly thinks it's a : 4 player SNG--> with $24 in the prizepool.


HM probably thinks this because the it has "Match Round I, Level II" in the SNG name. And PokerStars also has 2 x 2 player shootout HU SNGs with a similar table name.

A similar issue happens with the SPEED. In the past 1500 startstack was REGULAR SPEED, 3000 chip startstack was TURBO, but PokerStars (as Full Tilt) changes and tweaks $buyins + rake + start stack + how they actually NAME the SNG every week.

But we'll fix this in the next update.