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EnRaged
10-01-2010, 03:52 PM
Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players

UTG: $2.15
UTG+1: $7.32
MP1: $1.48
MP2: $4.32
CO: $2.59
BTN: $5.60
Hero (SB): $1.90
BB: $5.71

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.20, MP1 calls $0.10, MP2 calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.00) 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif Khttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 4http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif (5 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BB calls $0.70, MP1 raises to $1.28, MP2 folds, CO folds, Hero calls $0.58, BB calls $0.58

Turn: ($4.84) 9http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.42 all in

River: ($5.68) 7http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif (3 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $5.68
MP1 shows Qhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif 8http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
Hero shows 6http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Ahttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
BB shows 5http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif Jhttp://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif
Hero wins $4.61
(Rake: $0.19)



HM gives this hand -$0.31 EV which is definitely not true

Below plain text from Hand History for this hand so you can test it for yourself

PokerStars Game #50441305895: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/10/01 17:03:06 MSK [2010/10/01 9:03:06 ET]
Table 'Xanthippe IV' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Kornutzdane ($2.15 in chips)
Seat 2: selivanchik ($7.32 in chips)
Seat 3: hkillam ($1.48 in chips)
Seat 5: procar142 ($4.32 in chips)
Seat 6: KateMade ($2.59 in chips)
Seat 7: konso555 ($5.60 in chips)
Seat 8: ZoRk EnRaged ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 9: Jagdausflug ($5.71 in chips)
ZoRk EnRaged: posts small blind $0.05
Jagdausflug: posts big blind $0.10
Ebramar3: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZoRk EnRaged [6c Ac]
Kornutzdane: folds
selivanchik: folds
hkillam: calls $0.10
procar142: calls $0.10
KateMade: calls $0.10
konso555: folds
ZoRk EnRaged: calls $0.05
Jagdausflug: raises $0.10 to $0.20
hkillam: calls $0.10
procar142: calls $0.10
KateMade: calls $0.10
ZoRk EnRaged: calls $0.10
*** FLOP *** [8h Kc 4c]
ZoRk EnRaged: bets $0.70
Jagdausflug: calls $0.70
hkillam: raises $0.58 to $1.28 and is all-in
procar142: folds
KateMade: folds
KateMade leaves the table
ZoRk EnRaged: calls $0.58
Jagdausflug: calls $0.58
*** TURN *** [8h Kc 4c] [9d]
ZoRk EnRaged: checks
Jagdausflug: bets $0.50
ZoRk EnRaged: calls $0.42 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.08) returned to Jagdausflug
dandik_by joins the table at seat #6
*** RIVER *** [8h Kc 4c 9d] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ZoRk EnRaged: shows [6c Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
Jagdausflug: shows [5c Jc] (a flush, King high)
ZoRk EnRaged collected $0.80 from side pot
hkillam: shows [Qc 8c] (a flush, King high)
ZoRk EnRaged collected $4.61 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5.68 Main pot $4.61. Side pot $0.80. | Rake $0.27
Board [8h Kc 4c 9d 7c]
Seat 1: Kornutzdane folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: selivanchik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: hkillam showed [Qc 8c] and lost with a flush, King high
Seat 5: procar142 folded on the Flop
Seat 6: KateMade folded on the Flop
Seat 7: konso555 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ZoRk EnRaged (small blind) showed [6c Ac] and won ($5.41) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: Jagdausflug (big blind) showed [5c Jc] and lost with a flush, King high

Patvs
10-02-2010, 03:14 AM
*** TURN *** [8h Kc 4c] [9d]
The moment you're allin hkillam actually has the best hand.

FOR THE MAIN POT: $4.61
hkillam showed [Qc 8c] --> 73.81% to win
ZoRk EnRaged: shows [6c Ac]--> 19.05% to win
Jagdausflug: shows [5c Jc]--> 7.14% to win

FOR THE SIDE POT: $0.80
ZoRk EnRaged: shows [6c Ac]--> 83.36% to win
Jagdausflug: shows [5c Jc]--> 13.64% to win

So your equity is (19.05% * $4.61) + (83.36% * $0.80) = $1.545
You actually win $5.68
So you EV Diff = -$3.86 ($1.545 - $5.68)

And that's what it shows when I imported your hand into HoldemManager.

Update to http://www.holdemmanager.com/downloads/Holdem_Manager_Beta.exe

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EnRaged
10-02-2010, 06:07 AM
Oh, I'm sorry for this bug report. I've read this (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/EV+Explained) and realized that I'm yet another victim of misunderstanding a meaning of the $EV stat :) I thought it takes pot-odds into account and tells whether hand is profitable in the long run or not

I'm sorry if it was suggested before, but since this stat isn't related to profitability of the hand maybe it should be renamed into something else? If all it tells is how much lucky/unlucky we've been in our session maybe it should be renamed to something related to luck?

Patvs
10-02-2010, 04:44 PM
It's called "Luck Adjusted Winnings" for SNGs.

And it's EV Diff for cashgames. "EV Difference", only uses All-In EV and doesn't take potodds into account.