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wrap_it
09-24-2010, 05:45 AM
I'm having issues with this stat for a long time and I really wanna get it fixed now.

No matter which game or player count, this stat considers too many situations. I think it's rule is "last to act on flop & flop unopened" so it also counts limped pots or pots where the person raised himself. All other stats (bet vs missed cbet OOP or bet vs missed cbet IP turn/river) seem to be correct.

Am I the only one having this issue? Recently I've seen a coaching vid where it seemed to work correct. I've done all sorts of things including updating to the newest version and reimporting my databse but that didn't help.

I just want to find out if I'm the only one with this problem. So please let me know. I've already setup an email for the HEM support in this case.

netsrak
09-24-2010, 08:58 AM
Please send us hands where you think its counted wrong.
And please add more informations like HM version, screenshots of the stats, pokersite, gametype.
support@holdemmanager.com

wrap_it
09-30-2010, 07:29 AM
Just a quick question about the leading stats:

Should it be considered a turn lead when someone leads into me on a flop when I am PFA and continues leading on the turn if I just call?
Or does it only count if someone c/c the flop as non-PFA and goes for the stop-n-go on the turn?

And I still don't have any feedback. Am I really the only one having this issue? This is kinda weird because I have done everything. Formatted my whole computer, reinstalled HEM, made a new database and reimported all hands and the problem still persists for any HEM version.
Has noone ever complained about this?

Patvs
10-01-2010, 12:28 AM
Where do you see a "turn lead" stat?

If someone leads into you when you are PFR, his bet is a donkbet.



Are you playing HEADSUP games, or 6max?? *confused*

wrap_it
10-01-2010, 06:03 AM
Just to clarify this: The leading problem doesn't have anything to do with the Bet vs missed cbet problem. However I've played a couple of hands vs a guy who led into me on the flop and bet the turn when called. The stat for donkbet turn though didn't have a sample (so it showed '-'). This is incorrect as well, right?

I'm playing Holdem 6max, HU and PLO 6max and the problems persist in all types of games.

netsrak
10-01-2010, 08:58 AM
If he bet on the Flop his turn bet is not counted as a donkbet.

wrap_it
10-05-2010, 03:58 AM
Btw how long does it usually take untill such a request is dealt with? I've found some emails in my history which show that I've already reported this problem in April 2010 without having gotten a response, yet. (Forgot that myself tbh)

netsrak
10-06-2010, 07:12 AM
If its a bug we forward it to our developers for a fix.
Requests are collected and we look over them periodically and decide what to realize.

wrap_it
10-06-2010, 11:35 AM
Yeah, I mean it would be really helpful if other users could post in this thread if this stat is correct for them or not...

wrap_it
10-08-2010, 05:32 AM
Here we go:

This is a fake HH which isolates the problem really well

Full Tilt Poker Game #243066861621234: Table Melissa (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:08:41 ET - 2110/09/29
Seat 1: FoodFightAfrica123456789 ($200)
Seat 2: garivaldi123456789 ($110.90)
Seat 3: Vetall_B123456789 ($286.55)
Seat 4: TESTPLAYER123456789 ($356.95)
Seat 5: Simon Stu123456789 ($289.45)
Seat 6: bizzle03123456789 ($339.25)
Simon Stu123456789 posts the small blind of $1
bizzle03123456789 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TESTPLAYER123456789 [2c Kc]
FoodFightAfrica123456789 folds
garivaldi123456789 calls $2
Vetall_B123456789 folds
TESTPLAYER123456789 raises to $9
Simon Stu123456789 folds
bizzle03123456789 folds
garivaldi123456789 calls $7
*** FLOP *** [Jc 9s Jh]
garivaldi123456789 checks
TESTPLAYER123456789 checks
*** TURN *** [Jc 9s Jh] [3c]
garivaldi123456789 bets $21
TESTPLAYER123456789 calls $21
*** RIVER *** [Jc 9s Jh 3c] [7d]
garivaldi123456789 checks
TESTPLAYER123456789 checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
garivaldi123456789 shows [3d Kd] two pair, Jacks and Threes
TESTPLAYER123456789 mucks
garivaldi123456789 wins the pot ($60) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $63 | Rake $3
Board: [Jc 9s Jh 3c 7d]
Seat 1: FoodFightAfrica123456789 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: garivaldi123456789 showed [3d Kd] and won ($60) with two pair, Jacks and Threes
Seat 3: Vetall_B123456789 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: TESTPLAYER123456789 (button) mucked [2c Kc] - a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: Simon Stu123456789 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: bizzle03123456789 (big blind) folded before the Flop

http://s7.directupload.net/images/101008/ngpxkqic.png (http://www.directupload.net)

Would be nice if some people can import this hand as well and post their results here.

netsrak
10-08-2010, 07:34 AM
I get the same result with the hand but
Testplayer12345 missed his CBet on the Flop and didn't bet on the Turn, he just called the bet from garivaldi.
So i don't think there is anything wrong with the stats you marked red.

For garivaldi the same stat is 100% which is correct too.

wrap_it
10-08-2010, 12:30 PM
Well, maybe I'm misinterpreting the stat then. Bet vs missed cbet IP on the flop implies that someone calls a PFR, is IP on the flop and gets checked to (so the PFA misses his cbet). In the sample hand it appears that the stat counts too many samples because TESTPLAYER didn't have an opportunity to bet IP vs a missed cbet since he's the PFA himself (I assume a lead by garivaldi shouldn't be considered a cbet)

netsrak
10-09-2010, 05:08 AM
Testplayer is the PFA in the hand so the "vs missed CB" stats will only be counted for garivaldi.

wrap_it
10-09-2010, 05:18 AM
Yeah, that's what I said. In the stats page TESTPLAYER got a sample for his bet vs missed cbet stat, though. I mean, yeah it's negative but he shouldn't have a sample at all, right?

netsrak
10-11-2010, 03:42 AM
Now i got you - i think you are right. I'll forward this.

player1490
10-25-2010, 08:50 AM
Hi.
Sorry for my English.
I also checked the stat "Bet vs missed CB IP flop" (looking hands of different players). Stat shows wrong results. This stat considers too many situations.

There is a version - "Bet vs missed CB IP flop" аctually no this stat -
here can be considered cont.bets?

I also checked the stat "Bet vs missed CB OOP turn" (looking hands of single player). Stat shows wrong results. But you can still check to be sure.

marknekk
12-23-2010, 06:45 PM
Now i got you - i think you are right. I'll forward this.

This thread seems to have died and been forgotten... was this issue finally sorted out?

netsrak
12-24-2010, 08:06 AM
Its in the bug queue but i don't know when it will be fixed.

marknekk
12-24-2010, 08:26 AM
Ok...

tigerjack89
02-10-2011, 04:07 PM
I have the same problem...
I play only hu...in the last I noticed that my HUD says that Villain bet flop in position 70% on 23 when I missed flop cbet...this stats is unreal, I played only two hands out of position vs this oppo as preflop aggressor...

Thanks in advance for your reply

gl

netsrak
02-11-2011, 05:10 AM
We need to reproduce this.
Please zip and mail the original handhistory files (you find them in the HM archive folder or in the handhistory folder of your poker client) together with a link to this thread and an explanation of the problem to support@holdemmanager.net. We will then try to reproduce the problem.

tigerjack89
02-11-2011, 05:43 AM
We need to reproduce this.
Please zip and mail the original handhistory files (you find them in the HM archive folder or in the handhistory folder of your poker client) together with a link to this thread and an explanation of the problem to support@holdemmanager.net. We will then try to reproduce the problem.

mail sent!!
I hope they reply soon :)

thanks

wrap_it
02-11-2011, 06:28 AM
Now i got you - i think you are right. I'll forward this.

Erm...you already confirmed that this appears to be a bug and imo it is one that should have a pretty high priority since this stat is very often used.

tigerjack89
02-11-2011, 07:26 AM
Erm...you already confirmed that this appears to be a bug and imo it is one that should have a pretty high priority since this stat is very often used.

Yez, but I don't know if this problem occours only on some hands or always.
Next days I look at this.

tigerjack89
02-12-2011, 11:39 AM
Erm...you already confirmed that this appears to be a bug and imo it is one that should have a pretty high priority since this stat is very often used.

can yuo confirm that the problem is only for bet vs missed cbet flop in position?

Today I noticed that there is a problem also for the bet turn oop vs missed cbet, that is when hero raise preflop, have a call and is in position, but miss the cbet on the flop and on the turn oppo bet himself...

In one of today's heads up I limped most of the time in position, however hud tells me that oppo bet turn oop vs missed cbet 40% of the time on 9 hands...this value cannot be found on post session because, on the rare times I raised preflop, I missed cbet only one time...

EDIT: all the stats referred to bet vs missed cbet are wrong!!

here there is my hand history http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MRHB3R15

Can someone teste this?Tx

gl

arthurcgusmao
03-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Hello guys! Once I tested all stats (Bet vs Missed C-Bet IP and OOP), but I don't have the HH anymore.
I concluded that all stats are wrong because they include lots of situations (like the ones listed above).

I'd like to ask for this bug to be fixed soon since its very often used like wrap_it said.
Thanks!

wrap_it
04-10-2011, 07:33 AM
Anything new about this? It still counts way too many samples. The first time I told you about this bug was in Feb 2010 btw...

netsrak
04-11-2011, 04:39 AM
At the moment we are just doing a review of all the stats so i hope there will be some news in the nearer future.

arthurcgusmao
05-15-2011, 09:39 AM
Nice! Could you fix these stats for the next update (when the report stats will be avaiable in the hud)? Thanks guys.

arthurcgusmao
06-19-2011, 01:41 AM
Are we asking too much? This problem in the HUD has been related 2 years ago...