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EagleClaw29
07-31-2010, 03:44 AM
Hi Folks - I'm one of the guys in their 50's who didn't grow up with computers & just started using them for the 1st time 5 years ago because I moved from a state that had several "live" poker rooms to one that has none....a bummer.

So I'm far from a computer whiz but I've come a long way since I started....but I'm sure I'm still way behind most of the people that use these programs.

Also - I'm not too knowledgeable about these forums either....but I'm guessing this intro to my question is probably irrelevant & I should just go right to my question...if this is true...which I'm guessing it is...let me know (but please don't jump all over me)....& I will know in the future to never include anything but the shortest version I can think of to pose my questions.

OK - I have seen that after playing a certain amount of hands vs. different opponents....eventually an icon will pop up (such as a rock or a whale) which I know you folks are familiar with.

I have also noticed that there can be a huge difference in the amount of hands played vs. opponents before an icon shows up....if I remember correctly some might have an icon pop up after about 58 hands & some you'll have played 375 against & still no icon....but I guess that this is just how the program works.

Bottom line - I have been playing some of the double or nothing "Sit & Go" tourneys at P-Stars where 10 players start & the final 5 double up with buy-in's of either $21.60 or $54 (this $50 buy-in with a $4 registration fee for these tourneys seems to me to be much too high a fee...what do you folks think)?

Finally - these icons that some of the players have show up in cash games...but not in these tourneys...but if I use the replayer feature of a hand in these tourneys...the icons do show up there. How do I get them to show up during the regular course of the tourney?

Please bear with me...I thought of 1 more ? regarding this. Do the numbers that Hold-em Manager keeps track of (like VPIP & PF raise) automatically adjust when you end up playing different things....such as 6-player cash games...tourneys that have a limit of only 6 players per table...different games such as Omaha 8 & 7-card stud?

I sure hope so....but, it's probably not done automatically, is it?

OK - thats it. I would appreciate any answers, comments, suggestions, etc.

And again...sorry about the length...my future posts will be much shorter especially if the answer to the 1st ? I asked is what I think it will be.

THANKS EVERYBODY

netsrak
08-01-2010, 06:39 AM
The icons come from the autorate feature (options->autorate).
FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: Auto Rate Introduction (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/106/Auto+Rate+Introduction)

They should usually only work for cash game hands. So i think that the replayer shows them for tourney hands is just a minor bug in the replayer.

_Loki_
08-01-2010, 09:59 AM
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Tournaments

>> FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: Auto Rate Introduction (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/106/Auto+Rate+Introduction)

The following headings detail the uses of the Main Buttons in the Autorate window
Players
Users can choose between:


Full Ring
6-MAX
Heads UP

Games
Users can choose between:


Holdem
Omaha (Hi)
Omaha 8 (Hi/Lo)

Style
Users can choose between:


No Limit & Pot Limit
Fixed Limit
Tournament

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EagleClaw29
08-02-2010, 01:41 AM
Thanks for replies Loki & netsrak. I followed up your suggestions & went to the auto-rate page....where there are many choices for you to make about this.

In the lower left hand area of the page are 2 boxes you can check....one says "Enable Auto-Rate" & the other says "Enable Autorate in Replayer". Only the Replayer box was checked which seems odd since I was getting the icons in cash games.

But maybe having that one checked explains why they came up when I used the replayer to look at hands during a tourney....but the icons weren't there while playing the tourney hands. Anyway, I checked the "Enable auto-rate" box too...but I haven't played yet to see if they now come up during tourney hands.

I need to ask u guys/gals sort of a general question in regards to Hold-em Manager. Please bear with me cause this may get a bit long.

Just the one page regarding auto-rate has so many options regarding so many things....that I think it would take me a long time to study & probably I would have to try some things by the trial & error method.

I don't know if the software sees what game(s) you are/have been playing & auto adjust the numbers such as VPIP & preflop raise (which seems to be the stats that many players think are the most important.

Do you have to go to a page(s) to set up what exact type of game/tourney u are going to play (there are soo many different kinds of tourneys/games these days)....or does the program going to do it automatically for you.

And there are so many stats you can use that it boggles my mind. I was reading a poker article on the net from a guy who seemed very bright and articulate....& to cut to the chase....he said there were millions of ways to use the program to find out pieces of info.

I actually don't like the 3rd party programs because they give too much of an edge to good players....because their opponents are good players + having very good computer skills. I really like the game when it is player vs. player.

Computer programs are so advanced that a computer took down the best chess player in the world....Garry Kasparov in 1997 vs. an IBM computer called "Deep Blue"....(& think how much computer/computer software has advanced since 97....13 years ago). Although some great no-limit players might be able to give a computer a run for it's money. WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK ABOUT ABOUT WHAT I MENTIONED IN THE LAST SENTENCE? I won't go over bots & all the other stuff u have to look out for as an internet player.

Also...with HEM....I know u have to analyze these numbers in relation to other numbers to get more accurate info. And the info that I don't know in regards to all the things you can do with HEM is...hmm....I guess if I go to the beach & pick up grains of sand all day is what I know....all of the grains of sand left in the world...I don't know.

I know some important ones such as VPIP, pf Raise, Steal, & 3-bet. These are the 4 that I have on the top line of the HUD vs. opponents. On the bottom line are Aggression factor, flop CB, fold to flop CB, & hands played.

Could someone please tell me the importance of each one of these. And which one's give you more info if related to another one.

If I could just learn all I can about the ones I have mentioned above...it might raise my game a bit. But if these #'s haven't automaticlly been adjusted to the type of game & tourney & other factors....I guess these #'s will be misleading & I shouldn't factor them much (if at all) into my decisions.

Hey - I haven't seen this yet in a book store...but I could use it & some of you folks I'm sure could write it (Hold-em Manager for Dummies).

finally - THE END

Would greatly appreciate suggestions, comments, answers, etc.

THANKS!!!!!

ukaliks
08-02-2010, 08:37 AM
Buzz, thanks people! Been trying to find out how to get these icons back.

_Loki_
08-02-2010, 12:17 PM
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These below I will try & answer (or more likely point you) later, but right now 57 is itching for her walk & there is no route that doesn't take us past a pub - the pooch needs her pint...

But did you know that there are 8 articles under the 'Help' part of the HM menu ? I think article 6 might interest you


...u have to analyze these numbers in relation to other numbers to get more accurate info
...VPIP, pf Raise, Steal, & 3-bet. Aggression factor, flop CB, fold to flop CB, & hands. importance of each one of these. And which...give more info if related to another one
if these #'s haven't automaticlly been adjusted to the type of game & tourney & other factors....I shouldn't factor them much (if at all) into..decisions
...I could use..HM for Dummies###

_Loki_
08-02-2010, 12:30 PM
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What I write here is IMO-as-a-cash-player

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...explains why they came (in)replayer, but...weren't there...playing tourney(s) Probably

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auto-rate has so many options regarding so many things. I don't know if the software sees what game(s) you are/have been playing & auto adjust the numbers such as VPIP & preflop raise (which seems to be the stats that many players think are the most important. Do you have to go to a page(s) to set up what exact type of game/tourney u are going to play...or does the program going to do it automatically for you 27 combinations of autorate available & HM auto-selects which combination to use for which game. BUT all of these OFF-THE-SHELF combinations & the autorate function itself are fairly useless to you & your game. Every player should design their own autorate scheme to suit THEIR style of play. But also it has to reflect how your very presence at the table will effect the style/stats of the people you're playing

But, because the profit/loss margin in online poker is small it is important to realise that poker playing is secondary to fish-finding. Your absolutely critical decisions are made before you sit ~ the right table, the right players & the right relative seat positions. This is where HM autorate (& poker lobby coloured notes) is very useful - being camped on the high ground before battle commences so to speak

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...3rd party programs..give too much of an edge to good players... Does it? One thing it does is turn 6-table grinders into 24-table grinders who go into profit because of loyalty schemes & completing bonuses on time. These grinders are (literally) slaves to their poker-room-of-choice & miss out on hygiene, sunsets, puppies, good books, fine meals, repeats of classic movies & illicit sex

But, I must admit that what I love about HM is...
70% post-game analysis
15% stats/player notes/autorate
15% the mucked cards

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I...like...when it is player vs. player Go & play on the Cake Network where HUDs are against their T&C's & players can have a new screen name every week or go get ripped off in table fees & tips at your casino - well except you don't have any in your State

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Computer programs are so advanced that a computer took down the best chess player in the world....Garry Kasparov in 1997 vs. an IBM computer called "Deep Blue"....WHAT DO YOU FOLKS THINK ABOUT ABOUT WHAT I MENTIONED IN THE LAST SENTENCEhttp://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab8/_L_O_K_I_/TELEGRAPHMATT_PRITCHETT.jpg

I say "ran wie Blücher" to you !

The 'state space' of all possible chess games is finite. Huge yes, but finite. There is no 'fog of war' involved ~ no 'partial information' situations. But computers do have advantages:
1] Rapid player profiling (most human players are very predictable)
2] Poker bot collusion (2 or 3 bots at your table playing ABC, but knowing each others hole cards is going to KILL you stone dead)
3] The poker bot can change gears instantly - your impression of how it has played up to now is suddenly useless. Very few human players are any good at changing gears.

>> Computer poker players - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_poker_players)
>> AI beats human poker champions (http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4077803/AI-beats-human-poker-champions)
>> Building a Texas Hold'em playing AI..from scratch. - Stack Overflow (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/506167/building-a-texas-holdem-playing-ai-from-scratch)
>> Aaron's Poker Bot Resources (http://spaz.ca/poker/)
>> University of Paisley, Artificial Neural Networks Group (http://cis.uws.ac.uk/research/ann/index.html)
>> Hard-Boiled Poker: Talking Chess, Poker, and AI -- Existentialist musings of an online poker player (http://hardboiledpoker.blogspot.com/2010/01/talking-chess-poker-and-ai.html)

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I won't go over bots & all the other stuff u have to look out for as an internet playerBot Ring Discovered at PokerStars (http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/bot-ring-discovered-at-pokerstars-13513/)

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