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SemPeR
05-12-2010, 01:47 AM
I was trying to use the 4bet stats to analyze opponents (get an idea of how often they were flatting, 5betshoving, etc), but it seems like the stats are way off. My 4bet stat is much higher than I would expect it to be (like 3 or 4 times higher).

I asked a friend (we're both 6max msnl players) and his 4bet call % is something like 18%, when he like never calls 4bets, not even with AA/KK.
I don't think confrontations with shortstacks make up that much of the sample, esp with how 100bb regs like never play at tables with more than 1 or 2 SSs.

So my question is, what's wrong with the stat? Or what are we missing? Is there some situation we're not considering where everyone has a high call % vs 4bets?

Thanks,
semp

fwiw, the fold % is right on. Just the call is heavily skewed.

netsrak
05-12-2010, 04:14 AM
Do you have some sample hands where you think the 4bet is calculated wrong?
This would help us to identify a possible bug.

For a check here are the formulas for most of the stats:
Formulas for every HM Stat! (Updated Nov 12, 2009) - Holdem Manager Forums (http://forums.holdemmanager.com/showthread.php?t=3595)

SemPeR
05-12-2010, 03:42 PM
the vs 4bet stat's arent in the hud, and as a result don't show up in that page unfortunately. I'm really not sure if it's a bug, the stats just seem unrealistic for all players involved.

Should I send example hands?
Here's 2.


***** Hand History for Game 3274785170 ***** (Prima)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, April 17, 07:07:00 ET 2010
Table Lungfish 2 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ( $406.00 USD )
Seat 2: Lekas222 ( $151.10 USD )
Seat 4: Gumbelfant ( $516.72 USD )
Seat 5: RomeuSamp ( $540.24 USD )
Seat 6: aakkqq130 ( $158.00 USD )
Gumbelfant posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
RomeuSamp posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to Hero [ 4h Ks ]
aakkqq130 folds
Hero folds
Lekas222 raises [$12.00 USD]
Gumbelfant raises [$36.00 USD]
RomeuSamp folds
Lekas222 raises [$52.00 USD]
Gumbelfant raises [$130.00 USD]
Lekas222 calls [$87.10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 3c, 5d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Gumbelfant shows [Kc, Jh ]
Lekas222 shows [Qd, Qh ]
Lekas222 wins $303.20 USD from main pot
Gumbelfant wins $16.90 USD from main pot

***** Hand History for Game 2981603202 ***** (Prima)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 24, 01:01:04 ET 2009
Table Millbrook 2 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: kiaart ( $208.03 USD )
Seat 2: Hero ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 3: BillyWizzy ( $175.60 USD )
Seat 4: EvoVIII ( $221.20 USD )
Seat 5: TheInternet ( $444.03 USD )
Seat 6: Gumbelfant ( $197.00 USD )
Gumbelfant posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
kiaart posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
Dealt to Hero [ Jd 2s ]
Hero folds
BillyWizzy folds
EvoVIII raises [$6.00 USD]
TheInternet folds
Gumbelfant raises [$18.00 USD]
kiaart folds
EvoVIII raises [$45.00 USD]
Gumbelfant raises [$177.00 USD]
EvoVIII calls [$145.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 6c, 4h ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5s ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6s ]
Gumbelfant shows [Ac, Ks ]
EvoVIII shows [As, Kh ]
Gumbelfant wins $195.50 USD from main pot
EvoVIII wins $195.50 USD from main pot

netsrak
05-13-2010, 06:23 AM
Please zip and mail the hands with link to this thread and explanation to support@holdemmanager.net