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TheWookieWay
04-20-2010, 04:57 AM
Somewhere around 16 tables things REALLy start to lag from the HUD.. I'd like to play 24 tables like many of my friends, but start experiencing increased lag the further over 18 I go. Quite tilted about, it's been a huge issue. i would be 10 times my bankroll by now if I didn't have this problem.

I have NOTHING running but stars client, TableNinja, and HEM w/HUD. I even turned off Antivirus! EVERYTHIGN ELSE THAT CAN BE SHUT OFF HAS via Task Manager and killing processes if necessary (pc tech for year so I know what I'm doing)

I hear other people with my system are able to play without this lag.

I have a FRESH system, ASUS motherboard, AMD 5200+ cpu (2.7ghz dual core), 3gig of ddr2 ram (333mhz), new clean hard disk WD Black (top of the line SATA drive, only thing faster would be solid state), Windows XP set to PERFORMANCE options, all unnecessary processes killed, 8600GT Video card (256meg, i'd like 1gig but others say this isn't a limitation).. I'll buy a bigger video card if needed.

I built this pc for 1 reason, to play poker. I play on PokerStars. I could be giving Boku87 a run for his money if my machine was working without lag.

I'm currently struggling trying to get it to NOT lag at all with 24 cash tables before I try to take on Boku and his 50+ SnGs! Then there is talk about taking on Elky's 62 sng's with profit in 1 hour world record, but I've only got so much time to make my mark because Boku is planning on playing 100 fairly soon!

Tell me what info you need and I'll post it, email it, whatever is needed. Help me fix this soon, and I'll stop cursing you and acting like I have tourrettes from the acursed lagging, and instead will say how nice you were to help me so I could attempt a world record! (please.)

netsrak
04-20-2010, 07:27 AM
As far as i know Boku plays without Hud because of the performance problems.

Does it make a difference whether you play with or without tableninja?

Please check our general performacne tips:
FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: Holdem Manager Performance & Speed Tweaks (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/373/Holdem+Manager+Performance+%26+Speed+Tweaks)

and please come back if you need further help.

icroid
04-20-2010, 11:31 AM
I have the same problem. trackt not all tables and then with up to 15 min time delay begins it tracking

netsrak
04-20-2010, 12:00 PM
icroid, thats a totally different problem. I'm pretty sure your auto-import is configured wrong.

Please check this FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: My HUD Doesn't Work (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/48/My+HUD+Doesn%27t+Work)
and post the answers (you should use a new thread because this one is different).

TheWookieWay
04-20-2010, 07:38 PM
I have vacuumed and reindexed my database.

I will try again today without TN, and then With. nothing else will be running except for pokerstars. Then I will report back.

TheWookieWay
04-21-2010, 06:53 AM
with just TableNinja, it's as fast as possible, it keeps up with no laggin, the only lag is when pokerstars loads up new tables and the TN script auto sits and handles the buyin for me, and that's a couple seconds tops and only when table loads. I'll go bitch/moan/complain at them to fix that.

But everything is fine with NO HUD. Is this lag NEW? is it dependent on that the # of stats in my hud? can i trim the fat or condense it to smallest usable visible number of stats for better performance?

I know other grinders play 24 FAST tables regularly, and have never heard of them NOT being able to use HUD's because of LAG. I have followed every performance tip listed on these forums and in the FAQ. I am technically knowledgable and have no interferring processes, not even a web browswer.
Pokerstars, TableNinja, Hold'em Manager. I was using TableScan Turbo, which seems pretty speedy in the way it does things, much quicker to join a bunch of tables, etc.. but even tried without that to see if that helped.

Surely I can play 22 - 24 tables with a HUD without lag?

netsrak
04-21-2010, 07:12 AM
I will forward this thread to the Hud developer for further help.
But please let me know about the results because i'm personally interested in this too.

Mike chops
04-21-2010, 09:55 AM
Definitely switch off the pre-fetch in hud options->site settings->stars

Mike chops
04-21-2010, 10:24 AM
The other thing you could try is shutting down import while leaving the table manager up and then closing the table manager and leaving import running. It won;t fix any problems but it might give us more clues as to what's going on.

TheWookieWay
04-21-2010, 09:50 PM
The other thing you could try is shutting down import while leaving the table manager up and then closing the table manager and leaving import running. It won;t fix any problems but it might give us more clues as to what's going on.

Prefetch turned off now. I turned off all other sites I'm not playing on just in case ,too.

This brings up an important question: The table manager has always too slow to use, so all I ever do is minimize it when it appears, and it disappears. could this be part of the problem? If you CLOSE it, your HUD doesn't function and you must "relaunch HUD" , correct? So I just minimize it to get it out of my way, and it 'disappears' but the HUD still functions. Is there some other setting that needs looking into?

I am going to try 24 tabling with HUD again and see if the helps after turning off prefetch.

TheWookieWay
04-21-2010, 09:51 PM
The other thing you could try is shutting down import while leaving the table manager up and then closing the table manager and leaving import running. It won;t fix any problems but it might give us more clues as to what's going on.

This is confusing because it says to shut down import, then close table manager and leaving import running which we just shut down??? Please explain.

TheWookieWay
04-21-2010, 10:33 PM
FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: Advanced PostgreSQL Tuning (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/89/Advanced+PostgreSQL+Tuning)

I also found 2 more tweaks here, including the advanced ones for PostgreSQL

TheWookieWay
04-22-2010, 02:01 AM
those tweaks made a world of difference !!

The solution for me was to vacuum analyze and reindex my database. I have over 200k hands from past couple months, and apparently you need to do this at least once a week, if not every 30k hands. (like changing your oil but with greater performance boost)

I also performed every possible HEM performance tweek, and the 2 updates to the postgreSQL were the biggest improvement, for cache size and something else, and turned off prefetch on Stars. Can now play 24 tables with HUD.

netsrak
04-22-2010, 04:02 AM
Wow, thanks for the info. Will try it later for myself.

Mike chops
04-22-2010, 09:58 AM
This is confusing because it says to shut down import, then close table manager and leaving import running which we just shut down??? Please explain.

I wanted to know if importing the hands was the problem or displaying 24 sets of stats. But it looks as if you found your own solution.

Pupp3tMast3r
04-27-2010, 02:16 AM
It might be the opacity setting?

thegreatjohan
06-26-2010, 04:53 PM
Just thought of something relating to this issue. Could it matter how many stats are being displayed on each player? I use max stats (63 on each player i think) on my hud and often get lag when playing 10-24 tables. Maybe it lags if it's trying to display a ton of stats on a ton of tables? Do other people in this thread use an exorbitant # of stats as well? Also, sometimes I can play 24 tables flawlessly. Not understanding why it would work one time but not another time.

morny
06-26-2010, 05:02 PM
more stats may require more resources, using multiple panels does sometime affect performance so if possible try turning that off if you dont specifically need it

thegreatjohan
06-26-2010, 05:02 PM
multiple panels?

thegreatjohan
06-26-2010, 05:04 PM
Imageshack - layoutli6.jpg (http://img355.imageshack.us/i/layoutli6.jpg/) if that's what multiple panels is, I'm not doing that, and actually didn't know you could. I have all of my stats in 1 box on about 8 lines

_Loki_
06-26-2010, 11:45 PM
I'm just thinking a bit loud here re postgreSQL resource drain...

All the HUD stats are 'refreshed' every 5 seconds (I think that's the figure)
Wouldn't it be better to set pg/hm to only refresh the screen names & 3 or 4 of the major stats at that rate ? I would have thought that the 3bet stats etc only needs refreshing to the HUD every 6 hands perhaps ?

We really DO need the auto-maintenance daemon enabled in the postgreSQL that's packaged with HM.

Perhaps someone could take the packaged postgreSQL & optimise it for the particular conditions of online poker use. For example it's only ever one user querying the database which should allow continuous maintenance in the background for even heavy multitablers

BTW that pic of the muli-panel HUD... Horrible HUD :)

Pupp3tMast3r
06-27-2010, 01:54 AM
We really DO need the auto-maintenance daemon enabled in the postgreSQL that's packaged with HM.

Can you elaborate on this?

_Loki_
06-27-2010, 04:38 PM
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Can you elaborate on this?
These two threads here:

March 2010:
http://forums.holdemmanager.com/manager-general/28132-postgresql-autovacuum-daemon.html

April 2010:
http://forums.holdemmanager.com/manager-bugs/29113-minor-info-bugs-purge-vacuum-faqs.html#post140175

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This daemon thing seems like an idea worth exploring - it would mean that users could entirely forget about maintaining their DB (absolutely no buttons to push). I imagine that it could be set up so that it runs by default & of course it shouldn't effect performance because it will only do work when the DB isn't being pushed (assuming I've understood the concept of it correctly).

So...

It would be good if someone who knows databases could let me know if it has potential. The Daemon functionality is either already in later versions of pg or can be added - it's already 'out there' - built & waiting to be used

Pupp3tMast3r
06-27-2010, 08:48 PM
The lag doesn't have anything to do with the database size (at least one mine.) I used an empty database for one session to test it, and it's still happening.

The "vacuum" option and its usefulness is overrated, IMO. I think there are settings in the postgresql.config file that can be tweaked to a better result (query caches, buffer sizes, stuff like that.) I just don't know what they are yet :)

_Loki_
06-27-2010, 09:13 PM
I've been looking at postgreSQL performance tuning & here are some of my 'bookmarks'
My main difficulty is with the jargon :)

I guess you may have been to these links already, but I post them in case they prove useful to you:
Performance Optimization - PostgreSQL Wiki (http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Performance_Optimization)
Tuning Your PostgreSQL Server - PostgreSQL Wiki (http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Tuning_Your_PostgreSQL_Server)
PostgreSQL Hardware Performance Tuning (http://www.postgresql.org/files/documentation/books/aw_pgsql/hw_performance/)
PostgreSQL Performance Tuning (http://linuxfinances.info/info/postgresqlperformance.html)

Simplified versions of some of above info (perhaps already in performance tips on this forum):
Tuning PostgreSQL for performance (http://www.varlena.com/GeneralBits/Tidbits/perf.html)
Performance Tuning PostgreSQL (http://www.revsys.com/writings/postgresql-performance.html)

When reading the links you must relate them to your version of postgreSQL. This is because either they can't be applied in early pg versions or because the optimizations may already have been done in the version you have