3way allin, wrong calculation

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1.10.04b version, this bug was there in previous versions as well. A simple look at the first two tables and you can see that they don't agree with each other. In the first the chips23 guy went from 3.61 to 0, in the second, his result becomes 4.45.


Payouts
1 $15.75
2 $9.45
3 $6.30

Start EV End EV Diff Player
$3.45 $3.63 $0.18 ClaudioMSJ
$3.12 $3.28 $0.16 henki92
$3.61 $8.74 $5.13 junebuddy
$3.61 $0.00 ($3.61) chips23f
$3.61 $3.80 $0.19 RememberForests
$6.89 $4.45 ($2.43) SHANE_POWER68
$3.61 $3.80 $0.19 Jodem2310
$3.61 $3.80 $0.19 tukuro

SNG EV analysis

Board -

Prizes $15.75 $9.45 $6.30



EV Result Luck Hand Player

$4.00 $3.63 ($0.37) ClaudioMSJ

$3.62 $3.28 ($0.34) henki92

$1.55 $8.74 $7.19 9c9h junebuddy

$5.42 $4.45 ($0.97) JcJd chips23f

$4.18 $3.80 ($0.38) RememberForests

$4.37 $0.00 ($4.37) AhQd SHANE_POWER68

$4.18 $3.80 ($0.38) Jodem2310

$4.18 $3.80 ($0.38) tukuro



hand order 9c9h > JcJd > AhQd probability 9.9610%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.63

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.28

2 stack 900, icm ev $8.74

3 stack 360, icm ev $4.45

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.80

5 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.80

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.80



hand order 9c9h > AhQd > JcJd probability 7.5272%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.63

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.28

2 stack 900, icm ev $8.74

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.80

5 stack 360, icm ev $4.45

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.80

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.80



hand order JcJd > 9c9h > AhQd probability 37.3815%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order JcJd > AhQd > 9c9h probability 7.8975%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order AhQd > 9c9h > JcJd probability 1.1845%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order AhQd > JcJd > 9c9h probability 35.4823%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order 9c9h = JcJd > AhQd probability 0.0000%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.58

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.24

2 stack 450, icm ev $5.30

3 stack 810, icm ev $8.13

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.75

5 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.75

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.75



hand order 9c9h = AhQd > JcJd probability 0.0000%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.58

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.24

2 stack 450, icm ev $5.30

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.75

5 stack 810, icm ev $8.13

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.75

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.75



hand order JcJd = AhQd > 9c9h probability 0.0000%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.54

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.20

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 630, icm ev $6.81

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.71

5 stack 630, icm ev $6.81

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.71

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.71



hand order 9c9h > JcJd = AhQd probability 0.0713%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.59

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.25

2 stack 900, icm ev $8.68

3 stack 180, icm ev $2.35

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.76

5 stack 180, icm ev $2.35

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.76

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.76



hand order JcJd > 9c9h = AhQd probability 0.0527%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order AhQd > 9c9h = JcJd probability 0.0644%

0 stack 285, icm ev $4.08

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.69

2 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

3 stack 0, icm ev $0.00

4 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

5 stack 1260, icm ev $10.94

6 stack 300, icm ev $4.26

7 stack 300, icm ev $4.26



hand order 9c9h = JcJd = AhQd probability 0.3776%

0 stack 285, icm ev $3.41

1 stack 255, icm ev $3.09

2 stack 300, icm ev $3.58

3 stack 480, icm ev $5.35

4 stack 300, icm ev $3.58

5 stack 480, icm ev $5.35

6 stack 300, icm ev $3.58

7 stack 300, icm ev $3.58



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Full Tilt Poker Game #19901837426: $3.50+$0.30 Sit&Go (Sup Turbo) (152463260), Table 1 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:57:14 ET - 2010/04/07
Seat 1: ClaudioMSJ (285)
Seat 2: henki92 (255)
Seat 4: junebuddy (300)
Seat 5: chips23f (300)
Seat 6: RememberForests (300)
Seat 7: SHANE_POWER68 (660)
Seat 8: Jodem2310 (300)
Seat 9: tukuro (300)
junebuddy posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chips23f [Jc Jd]
chips23f raises to 300, and is all in
RememberForests folds
SHANE_POWER68 calls 300
Jodem2310 folds
tukuro folds
ClaudioMSJ folds
henki92 folds
junebuddy calls 270, and is all in
chips23f shows [Jc Jd]
SHANE_POWER68 shows [Ah Qd]
junebuddy shows [9c 9h]
*** FLOP *** [9d 8s 3c]
*** TURN *** [9d 8s 3c] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [9d 8s 3c 7s] [5d]
chips23f shows a pair of Jacks
SHANE_POWER68 shows Ace Queen high
junebuddy shows three of a kind, Nines
junebuddy wins the pot (900) with three of a kind, Nines
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 900 | Rake 0
Board: [9d 8s 3c 7s 5d]
Seat 1: ClaudioMSJ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: henki92 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: junebuddy (big blind) showed [9c 9h] and won (900) with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 5: chips23f showed [Jc Jd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
Seat 6: RememberForests didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: SHANE_POWER68 showed [Ah Qd] and lost with Ace Queen high
Seat 8: Jodem2310 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: tukuro didn't bet (folded)

[netsrak]

In general this type of questions is caused by a misunderstanding of the EV calculation. Please check this FAQ: FAQ - Hold'em Manager Poker Tracking Software :: EV Explained (http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/EV+Explained)

If you are still sure that something is wrong with our calculation please zip and mail the original handhistory files with a link to this thread to support@holdemmanager.net so we can have a look at it.

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Yes, we had this dance before, this is not a misunderstanding of ev calcs, this is either a bug in handling of a side pot (in this case incorrectly given to player chips23) or a bug in handling of lists of players.


from the first list: (Start EV End EV Diff Player)
$3.61 $0.00 ($3.61) chips23f

from the second list: (EV Result Luck Hand Player)
$5.42 $4.45 ($0.97) JcJd chips23f

In the second list, the end equity is $4.45, but it should be 0, so the luck calculation is wrong as well.

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Ok, please mail the hands with an explanation and we can try to sort it out.