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Gonzalez
03-01-2010, 10:34 AM
(sorry for bad english)
Hi
I want to say to you 3 thing I think that are wrong

1- Donk-bet on the flop, on a 3bet pot, does not appear in the statistics as donk-bet
example: oponnent open raises, I make a 3bet, he calls. On the flop, he bets.
I looked at the hud popup after the hand completed and the hud refreshed, and donkbet = 0%!

2- When someone posts the big blind out of position, for instance, in middle position, that doesn't count as VPIP? he is investing in the pot voluntarily!

3- The positions at the table are wrong!
in this image, I am in middle position 1 (MP1) and as you can see, HM says that I am in early position!! that's why he also says mey PFR is higher in EP than in MP...
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/959/mp1.png (http://img169.imageshack.us/i/mp1.png/)

In a 10 seat table we have:
2 blinds positions (BB and SB)
2 late positions (BTN and CO)
3 middle positions (MP3, MP2 and MP1)
3 early positions (UTG+2, UTG+1 and UTG)

when one player is away, we have only 2 EP's. if two players are away, we have only 1 EP. if three players are away, no EP's, just 3 MP's, 2 LP's and 2 blinds.
if four players are away, we have just 2 MP's...
etc etc!
we subtract early positions first, then middle positions and then late positions!! the last case is in heads up, we have only SB and BB!!

in Fullring it's like this, in shorthanded I don't know but, I think you should fix this


Hope you understanded it :)
best regards, Gonzalez

morny
03-01-2010, 06:03 PM
Hi, can you send me those hand histories with those issues and ill try and recreate this and write up bug reports support@holdemmanager.net and also link to this thread

Gonzalez
03-03-2010, 04:26 PM
Hi, can you send me those hand histories with those issues and ill try and recreate this and write up bug reports support@holdemmanager.net and also link to this thread

I didn't found that exact hand, but here's another one, where he says I'm in early position and in fact I'm in middle position

Grabbed by Holdem Manager (http://www.holdemmanager.net)
NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
SB ($10)
BB ($9)
UTG ($13.15)
Hero ($1.50)
UTG+2 ($11.60)
MP1 ($10.05)
CO ($10.30)
BTN ($9.85)

Dealt to Hero A:club: A:heart:

fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, MP1 calls $0.40, fold, fold, fold, fold

FLOP ($0.95) 5:heart: 3:heart: Q:heart:

Hero bets $1.10 (AI), MP1 calls $1.10

TURN ($3.15) 5:heart: 3:heart: Q:heart: 9:diamond:

RIVER ($3.15) 5:heart: 3:heart: Q:heart: 9:diamond: J:diamond:

Hero shows A:club: A:heart:
(Pre 87%, Flop 97.5%, Turn 93.2%)

MP1 shows J:club: K:heart:
(Pre 13%, Flop 2.5%, Turn 6.8%)

Hero wins $3

morny
03-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Hi ill need the original hh to import it and see the before and after of the hand history

Gonzalez
03-04-2010, 09:25 AM
Hi ill need the original hh to import it and see the before and after of the hand history

PokerStars Game #40371147373: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/02/26 22:20:35 UTC [2010/02/26 17:20:35 ET]
Table 'Retsina V' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: MancaMulas ($3.65 in chips)
Seat 3: Silent Kings ($2.70 in chips)
Seat 4: altonygue ($11.15 in chips)
Seat 5: StabilKazan ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 6: RLBE3531 ($9.55 in chips)
Seat 7: OneØfaK1nd ($1.50 in chips)
Seat 8: miri1981 ($6.40 in chips)
OneØfaK1nd: posts small blind $0.05
miri1981: posts big blind $0.10
vit90: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MancaMulas [Ac As]
MancaMulas: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Silent Kings: folds
altonygue: folds
StabilKazan: folds
RLBE3531: folds
OneØfaK1nd: folds
miri1981: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [2d 3s 2h]
miri1981: bets $0.60
MancaMulas: raises $2.65 to $3.25 and is all-in
miri1981: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.65) returned to MancaMulas
MancaMulas collected $1.95 from pot
MancaMulas: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.05 | Rake $0.10
Board [2d 3s 2h]
Seat 2: MancaMulas collected ($1.95)
Seat 3: Silent Kings folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: altonygue folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: StabilKazan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RLBE3531 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: OneØfaK1nd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: miri1981 (big blind) folded on the Flop

morny
03-04-2010, 10:22 AM
Hi there is only 2 MP and 2 EP seats in 9 max

So its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP2,MP1,EP2,EP1

Gonzalez
03-04-2010, 01:58 PM
Hi there is only 2 MP and 2 EP seats in 9 max

So its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP2,MP1,EP2,EP1

That's not the right way to count the seats!!!

We subtract early positions first!!! then middle positions, and then late positions!!

In this case its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1,EP3,EP2
If another player was away, it would be BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1,EP3
another player away, and it would be BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO
and then BB,SB,BTN
and finally BB,SB

that's the right way to count the positions at the table!
what matters is the number of players BEHIND us in Pre-flop round!
a player in EP1 has 9 players behind him
a player in EP2 has 8 players behind him
a player in EP3 has 7 players behind him
a player in MP1 has 6 players behind him
a player in MP2 has 5 players behind him
a player in MP3 has 4 players behind him
a player in CO has 3 players behind him
a player in BTN has 2 players behind him
a player in SB has 1 player behind him
a player in BB has no players behind him

Gonzalez
04-05-2010, 08:34 AM
That's not the right way to count the seats!!!

We subtract early positions first!!! then middle positions, and then late positions!!

In this case its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1,EP3,EP2
If another player was away, it would be BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1,EP3
another player away, and it would be BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2,MP1
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3,MP2
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP3
and then BB,SB,BTN,CO
and then BB,SB,BTN
and finally BB,SB

that's the right way to count the positions at the table!
what matters is the number of players BEHIND us in Pre-flop round!
a player in EP1 has 9 players behind him
a player in EP2 has 8 players behind him
a player in EP3 has 7 players behind him
a player in MP1 has 6 players behind him
a player in MP2 has 5 players behind him
a player in MP3 has 4 players behind him
a player in CO has 3 players behind him
a player in BTN has 2 players behind him
a player in SB has 1 player behind him
a player in BB has no players behind him


do you agree?

anyone?

ChichoSpit
06-05-2010, 12:59 PM
I Agree with you Gonzalez,
I realize a few days ago the same problem, every time i play in MP1 when there are 8 players in the table, HM count like if i was in EP3.
I play in 9 Handed tables (pokerstars)

Morni, you say:


Hi there is only 2 MP and 2 EP seats in 9 max

So its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP2,MP1,EP2,EP1


So its BB,SB,BTN,CO,MP2,MP1,EP2,EP1 = 8 players


9 max
2 Blinds (BB & SB)
2 Late (BU & CO)
3 Middle (MP1, MP2 & MP3)
2 Early (UTG2 & UTG1)

Sorry for my english.