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dare_v
03-01-2010, 05:55 AM
Hello.

I hope I found the correct par of the forum to post this, if not, please move it.

I have email betfair support and ask for my rake report from February 2010 and the result was pretty shocking. The report from Betfair is almost halt the size of report from HEM:

Betfair said I generated 500 pounds of rake
HEM says I generated 1100$ of rake, which is around 750 pounds.

The only reason would be, that HEM is not correctly calculating Betfair rake.

Any chance that HEM developers take a look into this problem and fix it, so HEM would report rake as it should?

netsrak
03-01-2010, 07:51 AM
You should contact betfair support about their rake calculation and forward this information with a link to this thread to support@holdemmanager.net.

dare_v
03-03-2010, 10:18 AM
So you are suggesting I contact BF directly and tell them why there are different calculations correct, since probably HEM is working as it should?

PS, also PKR rake report is different, than rake reported in HEM, but difference is only 6%, not as big as with betfair.

morny
03-03-2010, 06:29 PM
There is Dealt Rake i.e divided between anyone dealt cards and also contributed rake has two types, average contributed and weight contributed. Average uses all the players that VPIP’ed and divides the rake evenly between them while weighted divides the rake based on how much each person contributed towards the pot. So if player X put in 40% of the pot then he gets 40% of the rake.

If you find out the formula they use let us know if its not one of those then let us know and well update it. I'm not sure off hand which one we use for that site but if you find out which method they use we can double check thats what were using

Also currency fluctuations can effect it

dare_v
03-03-2010, 06:38 PM
I found this on their webpage:


A player is deemed to have contributed to the rake taken on a pot equity basis (by amount staked rather than number of players).

For example, if there are 6 players dealt a hand, but only 3 contribute money to the $250 pot, with 2 players contributing $100 each and 1 player contributing $50, the rake of $3 is split (100/250) * 3 = $1.2 to the 2 players who paid $100 and (50/250) * 3 = $0.60 to the player who contributed $50.



Is this enough information for you, or I try to email them directly and ask for more info?

morny
03-03-2010, 06:49 PM
Ok that confirms Betfair uses weight contributed, ill try and confirm if thats what we use

morny
03-03-2010, 08:06 PM
Yeah someone on the forums here told us they use average when in fact its weighted, ive forwarded it to the developers to fix

pcktACES
03-05-2010, 06:34 AM
Hi Morny,

Do you know when this fix is likely to be implemented?

Cheers

morny
03-05-2010, 01:40 PM
Hi im not sure at the moment but well get it done asap

pcktACES
03-10-2010, 06:07 AM
Hey - can you please drop us a message on this board when it's been updated please?

Am keen to try and get this figured out because obviously I can't double check it's all be calculated correctly by Betfair - at the moment it's massively out

netsrak
03-10-2010, 08:07 AM
Please watch the releases thread: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/releases/23748-1-10-03c-official-release.html

bonptitjoueur11
03-11-2010, 12:40 AM
Please watch the releases thread: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/releases/23748-1-10-03c-official-release.html

thx for doing this, I also want it to be changed for betfair!

also... when it will be done... can we reload all our hands? can the change be retroactive? thnx.

netsrak
03-11-2010, 06:18 AM
You will need to delete and reimport the hands or import them into a new database.

bonptitjoueur11
03-14-2010, 04:46 PM
On RMB it says that Betfair uses the average contributed method. This information has been
confirmed with the poker manager at Betfair. Please go to the Betfair info page here:
Betfair Rakeback - Get 40% Betfair Poker Rakeback (http://rakemeback.com/rake-back-deals/betfair-poker-rakeback/)


So its the average contributed method or the weight method????? rakemeback just confirmed me it was the average contributed method...

morny
03-14-2010, 06:57 PM
Hi, can you get an official response from Betfair via email and cc it to support@holdemmanager.net with a link to this thread

bonptitjoueur11
03-14-2010, 07:00 PM
im on it

dare_v
03-15-2010, 06:15 AM
FYI, I've tried PT3 today and their rake calculation for BF is correct.

Being somebody that payed for HEM licence this makes me rather sad, hope you manage to do an update within 60 days ;)

djben2005
03-15-2010, 11:19 AM
Yeah someone on the forums here told us they use average when in fact its weighted, ive forwarded it to the developers to fix

Yeah, I also thought it would be average, because raketherake says it is average. Maybe it was and they changed it to weighted.

dare_v
03-15-2010, 11:31 AM
Here:

Betfair Points (http://promo.betfair.com/betfairpoints/index_games.html?sid=0aid=pid=rfr=968)

Bottom of the page.

morny
03-16-2010, 05:09 PM
Actually i just seen an email that someone from betfair wrote confirming

Hi HEM,

Writing to you from the poker team at Betfair with confirmation that we use Weight Contributed Rake

So its already gone to the developers to look into

dare_v
03-29-2010, 09:59 AM
is it fixed in the latest release?

morny
03-29-2010, 03:45 PM
Sorry this hasn't been updated yet