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N4rk084
02-05-2010, 10:26 PM
In this hand HM calculates an EV of 547$ for PATATINO.
But on the allin play , both players put 1650$ in the pot and PATATINO has 63.6% equity , so his ev for that play shuould be 2098.8$. So because he lost 1650 and should have won 2098 -> EvDiff should be 3748$ . Bu HM says EVdiff = 2567.
Who is doing it wrong?
Thanks


Full Tilt Poker Game #0108052476: Table #1917 Zurich II - $10.00/$20.00 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:00:00 ET - 2010/02/05
Seat 1: PATATIN0 ($2020.00)
Seat 2: babyboom ($2198.00)
Seat 3: gzq1321375 ($630.50)
Seat 4: MIKAKALLI ($3235.00)
MIKAKALLI posts the small blind of $10.00
PATATIN0 posts the big blind of $20.00
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
babyboom folds
gzq1321375 folds
MIKAKALLI raises to $70.00
PATATIN0 calls $50.00
*** FLOP *** [5c Qc 7h]
MIKAKALLI bets $100
PATATIN0 raises to $300.00
MIKAKALLI calls $200.00
*** TURN *** [5c Qc 7h] [9s]
MIKAKALLI checks
PATATIN0 bets $560
MIKAKALLI raises to $2865.00
PATATIN0 calls $1090.00, and is all in
MIKAKALLI shows [9c Jc]
PATATIN0 shows [7c 5s]
Uncalled bet of $1215.00 returned to MIKAKALLI
*** RIVER *** [5c Qc 7h] [9s] [Qh]
MIKAKALLI wins the pot ($4035.00)
MIKAKALLI shows [9c Jc]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4040

netsrak
02-06-2010, 08:43 AM
EV diff is not the same as EV.

Its the difference between the EV and the winnings/losses for the hand.
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/What+Does+The+All-In+EV+Graph+Tell+Me%3F+

Pot size is 4035$, EV of 63.6%=2566.26$.

Patatino looses the Pot so his EV diff is 2567$ (rounded). If he had won the Pot his EV Diff would be about -1468$

N4rk084
02-06-2010, 11:30 PM
EV diff is not the same as EV.

Its the difference between the EV and the winnings/losses for the hand.
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/120/What+Does+The+All-In+EV+Graph+Tell+Me%3F+

Pot size is 4035$, EV of 63.6%=2566.26$.

Patatino looses the Pot so his EV diff is 2567$ (rounded). If he had won the Pot his EV Diff would be about -1468$

But if his EV for the hand is 2566 and he lost about 2000 , then the EvDiff should be 2566+2000 ...

netsrak
02-07-2010, 06:44 AM
The EV difference is the difference between the expected value (=2566.26) and the real winnings / losses. As he wins nothing the EV diff is 2567 (which is rounded).

N4rk084
02-09-2010, 11:26 AM
The EV difference is the difference between the expected value (=2566.26) and the real winnings / losses

You are saying "the real winnings / losses" , and he loses 2000 so "real winnings / losses" should be -2000 but you are calculating these "real winnings / losses"=0 . So it takes in account only "winnings/losses" > 0 ? In this case we should say that
The EV difference is the difference between the expected value (=2566.26) and the real winnings > 0( because losses are not taken in account).

morny
02-09-2010, 04:17 PM
Your expected EV was +$2566
Your actual win was $0
Your EV difference was -$2566

Your expected value is based on the pot size so 63% of time youll win $2566 and 27% of the time youll win $0 from the pot, your money is already in the pot so you cant lose it again so thats why we use 0 instead of -2020