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my_sharona
02-03-2010, 01:08 AM
Look at this example:

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
2 folds, MP1 bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3.50, Button raises $12, 4 folds

Button is doing a 4-bet, isn't he ?

But what is the correct stat to show this in his HUD ?
When I use four-bet, I see a 0%, or is this open 4-bet ?

netsrak
02-03-2010, 06:40 AM
Please post the complete handhistory.
Is MP1 open-limping or open-raising?

This is the definition of a 4-bet:

Four Bet BB is Bet 1, a raise is bet 2, the next raise is bet 3, the next raise is bet 4 (4-Bet)

see our new stats FAQ:
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/95/Stat+Definitions

my_sharona
02-03-2010, 03:57 PM
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager (http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php) Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (http://www.flopturnriver.com)

MP1 ($66.85)
MP2 ($50)
Hero (CO) ($50.50)
Button ($50)
SB ($64.15)
BB ($49.75)
UTG ($51.30)
UTG+1 ($95.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/club.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/heart.gif
2 folds, MP1 bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises $3.50, Button raises $12, 4 folds

I want to see the stat of that, what he did.

netsrak
02-04-2010, 05:30 AM
I'll forward it for a check.

B-Money
02-04-2010, 02:10 PM
This looks like a standard 4-bet to me.

my_sharona
02-06-2010, 03:43 AM
This looks like a standard 4-bet to me.

Then why does the HUD show me 0% ?

http://www4.pic-upload.de/06.02.10/t5muoxj76shw.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4496525/stat.jpg.html)

http://www4.pic-upload.de/06.02.10/yr2kbart77.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-4496528/hgfd.jpg.html)

Patvs
02-06-2010, 07:20 PM
Post or PM me the full handhistory, so I can import the hand, replay the hand, and check the 4bet stats with my own HUD.

my_sharona
02-07-2010, 04:37 AM
PokerStars Game #39122807285: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2010/02/02 19:00:03 CET [2010/02/02 13:00:03 ET]
Table 'Reni II' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: A#dog#P ($66.85 in chips)
Seat 3: LiLZhiMiNG ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: cueace ($50.50 in chips)
Seat 5: ElFilo ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: kimos ($64.15 in chips)
Seat 7: zzn1980 ($49.75 in chips)
Seat 8: xrisingsunx ($51.30 in chips)
Seat 9: viq84 ($95.85 in chips)
kimos: posts small blind $0.25
zzn1980: posts big blind $0.50
csnyder16: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cueace [Jc Jh]
xrisingsunx: folds
viq84: folds
A#dog#P: raises $0.50 to $1
LiLZhiMiNG: folds
cueace: raises $2.50 to $3.50
ElFilo: raises $8.50 to $12
kimos: folds
zzn1980: folds
A#dog#P: folds
cueace: folds
Uncalled bet ($8.50) returned to ElFilo
ElFilo collected $8.75 from pot
ElFilo: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.75 | Rake $0
Seat 1: A#dog#P folded before Flop
Seat 3: LiLZhiMiNG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: cueace folded before Flop
Seat 5: ElFilo (button) collected ($8.75)
Seat 6: kimos (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: zzn1980 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: xrisingsunx folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: viq84 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Patvs
02-07-2010, 09:15 AM
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7106/4bet.jpg


Adog raises, cueace 3bets, ElFilo 4bets.
cueace's 3bet is registered as a 3bet (and his fold to 4bet is also correctly registered)

adog's fold to ElFilo's 4bet is registered as a fold to 3bet.... not as a fold to 4bet.

ElFilo 4bet is NOT seen as a 4bet but as an Open 4bet.
Which suggests you have to be the initial raiser for it to count as a 4bet, but I'll do some more tests later to prove that.

my_sharona
02-07-2010, 09:34 AM
ElFilo 4bet is NOT seen as a 4bet but as an Open 4bet.

That's what I thougt in the first post above.

Then a 4bet is, when the initial raiser raises again, isn't it ? In this example A#dog#P.

Patvs
02-07-2010, 09:54 AM
A 4bet usually involves two players.
Player A raises.... Player B 3bets, Player A 4bets.


In your hand.. it would also be a 4bet if
Adog raises, cueace 3bets, ElFilo calls 3bet----> Adog 4bets.

my_sharona
02-07-2010, 10:11 AM
Ok, thanks 4 all.