Effective stack filter not working

[potsmoker101]

I have a filter for Allin Preflop=True AND Effective Stack in bbs is Greater than 70, but hands are showing up where the effective stack is much less than 70bb. Will there be a fix for this?

[Patvs]

Do you still have this issue in HM2: http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/6971_Hm2AutoUpdate.exe

[DogNamedBluff]

Please update to this version. http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/6971_Hm2AutoUpdate.exe (6971)

If that does not resolve the problem, please send a hand history in which this issue occurs to hm2support@holdemmanager.com with a link to this thread.

[potsmoker101]

Do you still have this issue in HM2: http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/6971_Hm2AutoUpdate.exe

Yes, I still have the issue. I will send a copy of the HH.

[GeeKay]

Did anything come of this thread? (and this one: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/bug-reports/235241-advanced-filters-effective-stack-bbs-bigger-than.html)

I'm just having a play around with this stat, and something doesn't appear right.

If I filter by "players from 2 to 2" and "This Year" and "Blinds $NL50", then I have 126,895 hands showing.
If I add to this filter, "Effective Stack in bbs is ..." Greater than 1, then I still expect to see all (or virtually all) of the hands, but the number of visible hands falls to 71,619.
If I change the filter to Effective stack Less Than 1,000 (again expecting all hands), then I get the same quantity of hands, 71,619.
Am I misunderstanding something, or have I got about 40% of my hands disappearing in this filter?
I am on HM2 v6866.

[Patvs]

Update: http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/7053_Hm2AutoUpdate.exe

Where do you have the total number of hands showing? Which screen / tab do you use for that?

[GeeKay]

I have updated and am now showing as version 7053.

I am using Reports / Sessions by Month to see the total.

Looking now, in the latest version I am seeing, with the filter, 71,837 hands out of 127,281 (I played after posting yesterday - hence the slight difference)

[GeeKay]

Just to add - I've tried the same thing in a different report - Reports / By Stakes and see identical numbers.

[GeeKay]

My win rate is substantially up as well in these reports
- 71,837 hands with effective stack below 1,000 my win rate is showing as 44.39 BB/100
- Overall, 127,281 hands, my win rate is showing as 10.16 BB/100 - I believe the 10.16BB/100 to be accurate

[DogNamedBluff]

I have forwarded this issue to our bugs department for further investigation. It will be tested in the order in which it was received. We will reply back in this thread with our findings.

[DogNamedBluff]

This is a known issue and it has been documented in detail and provided to the developers to resolve. While I do not have a specific date for when this issue will be resolved, we are putting out updates regularly.

The assigned internal ticket # on this issue is HM-5259. We will often release builds on a limited basis, only in the forums for a few days first, so please check back on this thread http://forums.holdemmanager.com/hm2-releases/ for that ticket #.

[Pelopidas]

Hello,

I would like to inform you that the issue is now fixed. While I do not have a specific date of the update that includes this fix, we will often release builds on a limited basis, only in the forums for a few days first, so please check back on this thread http://forums.holdemmanager.com/hm2-releases/ for that ticket #.

Pelopidas,
Testing Department

[mentatat]

This still appears to be broken for me. Version 2.0.0.7665. Filter that I'm running:

95481

Brings up hands where effective stacks were as low as 5BBs.

[Patvs]

Can you email us a handhistory that wrongly still shows up when you use the filter?

[mentatat]

Can you email us a handhistory that wrongly still shows up when you use the filter?

Sent you a PM - thank you!

[Patvs]

I reopened bugticket HM-5259 and added your handhistory.

[Patvs]

We investigated your hand:


I don't think this is a bug, but instead is misunderstanding of pre-flop effective stack

In HM EffectiveStack is calculated relative to table prior to player actions.

Logic for effective stack is - If player's stack is NOT the largest stack at the table, then eff stack = player's stack
- If player's stack is largest then effective stack for player = 2nd largest stack

From example hand:
Seat 1: DexterAFA ($7.90 in chips) eff-stack = $7.42
Seat 2: MilitoNT ($2.78 in chips) eff-stack = $2.78
Seat 3: skrzatuski ($5.05 in chips) eff-stack = $5.05
Seat 4: minmaxium ($0.25 in chips) eff-stack = $0.25
Seat 5: Diadem1 ($7.35 in chips) eff-stack = $7.35
Seat 6: mentatat ($7.42 in chips) eff-stack = $7.42



The confusion from this hand is, when seat 3 to 6 FOLD, and seat 1 and 2 go allin against each other,
the effective stack for BOTH seats is $2.78 (the second largest stack size)
But our effective stack looks on a preflop hand to hand basis (prior to a players action), and doesn't actually look at battles between individual stacks.

[mentatat]

I appreciate the response and that certainly explains why that hand is included. However, how useful is that definition? Surely it would be more useful a value if the effective stack was based upon those actually involved in a hand, e.g. not just dealt in, but either VPIP = TRUE or, in the case that there's a limper and BB checks pre-flop, for those players who see post-flop? Granted, I would imagine that's more difficult to calculate. Maybe you could have two values - Dealt Effective Stack and 'Active' Effective Stack?

It could be that I could filter by some other method to achieve what I want. I'll give it another go at some point :).

[udbrky]

Hands will be effected by the stack sizes. If there's a short stack in the blinds, the button should be adjusting play. If someone raises, the potential 3bettors behind him will adjust.

You always have to adjust your play according to the situation, and the stack sizes of the players, particularly those already in the pot, or those yet to act, change the situation and need to be taken into account.