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acnjcrabby1
01-27-2010, 12:49 AM
I mainly play daily tournaments on Stars (big field MTT's, rebuys, and more lately, the 20, 10, and 5 table turbos). I've used HEM for @ 1 month now, and have just over 11,000 hands logged. I've been putting a lot of effort into learning how to use HEM, along with getting used to playing with a HUD. I'm going through all of the articles, reading forums, and am slowly learning what all the stats actually mean.

I'm not a freak multi-tabler (probably because I'm a huge note taker). I can only comfortably play 4-6 at a time, and I know for sure I have way too many stats on my HUD (14 to be exact). Though I don't really mind getting used to it that way. If I have to remove certain stats down the road (if I find them to be unimportant/irrelevant), that's fine. My main problem is assigning color ranges for tournament play.

I am partially color-blind, but that's not my biggest issue. Through experimenting with it, I found that I'm quickly able to differentiate between 6 different colors on the HUD without too much strain (though I can't tell you exactly what those colors are - "blue-ish", "pink-ish", etc.). I'm finding the biggest issue is figuring out what ranges to assign to the stats so I can then "use" the colors to identify players styles.

So I guess my main question is how to pinpoint overall playing styles (LAG, TAG, loose-passive, tight-passive) based on HUD stats with (usually) small sample sizes? Which stats would be best utilized for, say the turbo 180's on Stars (where you see a lot of the same grinders day in/day out)? Along with those stats, can you tell me what ranges to assign with them (or is that something I have to figure out myself)? What would be considered LAG/TAG/L-P/T-P?

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the great product.

_Loki_
01-27-2010, 08:05 AM
Hi acnjcrabby1 (how do you pronounce that ?) :)

My advice isn't specific to your game type because I don't mtt nor sng, but like you I'm a note demon...

All the below is just my opinion & personal experience - I am very much the learner too so bear that in mind...

** 11k hands ?
You have a very small amount of data so throw out all your HUD stats except the main ones:
ab name, hands, vp$ip, pfr, ag factor & possibly 3bet
you might want the new bb stat I guess
There are more people playing your game than you've got total hands !
with 14 stats you will lose your way & not understand how each stat influences the other stats

** Using HUD stats
This takes a lot of time & some effort on your part. I am still learning too & I find HEM is mostly useful for post-game analysis of MY GAME & how my stats compare with the big winners & losers at my stakes (I only 6max nlhe cash microstakes). The HUD stats are very deceptive & should be used with caution because they will not help you that much when you have a critical 'fold, raise, all-in or call (i hate calling)' decision to make. The notes you make are the thing.
In 6max I've found...
1] There's some crazy maniac players who should be spewing chips in my direction, but who are actually doing very well indeed & the secret they've got is controlled aggression & a good understanding of how to price out the action at each table (they WATCH the tables they play at)
2] Some very regular, multitabling players with absolutely spot-on perfect stats are HUGE losers. The reasons vary, but I notice that some of them have terrible post-flop 'instincts'. They pick up the bread & butter small pot steals & lose it all in the big pots because they haven't a clue about the dynamics of each of the 12-24 tables they are playing. Most of the 'successful' multitablers I come across have low & very low vpip/pfr & play abc 'fit or fold' poker. I guess they get by on the Stars fpp/vpp thing
My message is that colour ranges in the HUD are very limited in value

** Analysis
You could try this: create a few aliases in HEM & group player types in there to see how their stats average out. Run some filters & start grouping any players for whom you've got more than 100 hands. look at the ones who are in big profit & those in big loss & group them each in a different alias to see how they average out. Then look at individual players & see how they compare with your assumptions - you will be surprised

** Data
A big problem (& advantage) with online poker is the huge number of opponents. Make this work for you by specialising in a small area of poker. Thats why I ONLY 6max at one stake at specific times of day - that way I can more quickly build up my data on the opposition. If you spread your poker about your data will be diluted & less useful

acnjcrabby1
01-27-2010, 08:54 PM
I appreciate the response Loki..... Firstly, the first part of my name is my abbreviated location (A.C., N.J = Atlantic City, New Jersey - crabby1 = I was a seafood cook for @ 8 years - almost every screenname I have has something "crab" in it)...... Second, I'll try to reply back in the order you did.

** 11K hands

- First, I think I should just tell you my setup, and you can telll me what you think.
Line1 - VPIP/PFR/Call Open/3bet
Line2 - Fold to 3bet/Raise 1st/Limp/limp-call/Cbet
Line3 - Fold to Cbet/Donk bet/Went to Showdown/Won at SD/# of Hands

Since most of the stats I need/want are associated with preflop/flop play, I tried to keep the HUD stats in that order (PF - flop - later streets). I eliminated the "abb name" stat because I think it just takes up space on my HUD. I know which display belongs to who just by where it is. I can also hover over it for the name if I get mixed up....... And, maybe I should put agg factor up there? (I don't really understand that stat, or the difference between that and agg%)....

- I definately should set up different HUDs for different MTT's (turbo180's and R&A's especially). But for the normal structured and/or deep(er) stacked tournaments, I find it hard to remove more than 4 (of my 14) stats.... I like being able to see how often someone folds to a 3bet, folds to a Cbet, etc... Even if someone has only folded to a Cbet 1 out 4 times, that seems like something I'd like to have right there. (Though I think I'm able to "hide" certain stats though until I have a decent enough sample - I recall something in the player preferences options - I'll figure that out)
As for the turbo180's, I can probably part with "Raise first", "limp-call", "went to showdown " and "won at showdown" (the showdown stats are pretty much only there for tourneys with rebuys)..... I'll take your advice though, and set up a very basic HUD until I get comfortable with those few stats.

** Using HUD stats
- I too think HEM is best used for post-game analysis. The main reason I bought it was so I can find/plug my own leaks. The HUD is just extra goodnesss as far as I'm concerned.

- The reason I don't mega-multi-table, besides the (maybe excessive) note-taking, is because I hate when tables overlap and block me from seeing action. I like seeing where and what the action is on all of my tables, all of the time.

- You said "colour ranges in the HUD are very limited in value". Really? Even after you understand how to classify someones style based on stats. (Example - if someone's PF stats are red and blue, they're loose pre - If they're yellow and green they're tight..... That's pretty much all I want the colors for - a quick reference "should I 3bet this guy from the SB?")

** Analysis

- I'm not sure what you mean by "create a few aliases in HEM & group player types in there to see how their stats average out".

** Data

- I do pretty much only play the same tournaments daily. Lately it's been the Turbo 180's, 90's, 45's, along with my usual $3 and $1 rebuy (best value small/micro MTT's online IMO). But, I understand what you mean about quickly building up data.

Sorry for writing you another novel here! I appreciate your help mate (I'm not English or Australian - Just a courtesy thing I guess :) )

Take care

_Loki_
01-27-2010, 09:42 PM
I'll get back to you in a while - in the meantime buddy (sorry :) ) this explains Aliases:

http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/33/Player+Name+%26+Alias+

In theory it's so if you are playing on say two poker sites & therefore using more than one name - you can combine the HH's for your two names under a name you made up (CrabsAreNotJustForXmas ? ) - you can then analyse your combined stats for the two sites

But...

Also you can create as many aliases as you like & add whatever player names you choose to each
The purpose might be to analyse average stats for various player types

You could have...

WinningLAGs, WinningTAGs, WinningNITs etc & do the same for losers

acnjcrabby1
01-28-2010, 12:23 AM
Thanx man. I'll see what I can do. I appreciate all of your help.

PS. CrabsAreNotJustForXmas...... Is that a name you made up, or is it a real player somewhere? It sounds familiar, but is not me. If you wanna know my SN's, PM me and I'll give them to ya.

_Loki_
01-28-2010, 12:41 AM
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Your HUD

Too much for me - I can't handle all that. Remember that I play 6max nlhe cash - I use this at the moment:
Abb name/ Winnings/Hands
VPIP/PFR/Agg factor/3bet

APPEARANCE. I play with most players stats set to just for that session rather than overall stats (I've reversed the standard background colours) & I switch between to see how they are playing compared with their average. I have default text set to grey so it doesn't scream at me.

ABB NAME: If you set Abb name to 2 decimals only the first 3 letters of the name are displayed - weird, but good. Someday without abb name you will be caught when a new guy sits in, but the HUD still displays the old guy... Also loads of players don't have rebuy set up at cash tables & when they get down to 25bb's or so they go bonkers with all-ins holding rubbish. Strange, but true. So I have Abb. Name go bright yellow at 25BB or less

WINNINGS: in $ & I have it go red for minus numbers & grey for plus numbers - this way I can quickly see on a cash table if a guy is up or down since I joined - useful because some players tilt a little when they are down & others start to loosen up when they have built a stack.

AGG FACTOR: [number of BETS + number of RAISES] divide by [number of CALLS] This is a very useful stat indeed
I think it's calculated for POST-FLOP ONLY
You should open HM & read the articles here:
Menu Bar > Help > Articles > Article 6 'Understanding how to use Post-flop statistics'
Definitions are here: http://208.109.95.123/faq/afmmain.aspx?faqid=155

POP UPS: I have simplified my HUD pop-ups to get the important extra info quickly when I need it just by hovering the mouse

COLOUR CODING: I have the bottom line stats set to grey for the normal range, red for low & green for high BUT the stats work together so a high AF for a tight player means something different from a LAG also with a high AF. It will take a long time for you to pin this down in your head - which is why I say keep the HUD simple

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DATA COLLECTION

This is a nightmare at microstakes. I have been doing a kind of personal datamining on PokerStars every day for the past two weeks by prefetching 24 tables all through the tables at my stakes from A to Z. Just collecting player names. There are roughly 230 to 300 6max tables running at one time & I did two passes of the tables today & increased my database of names from 11,933 to 12,510. I'm thinking there's maybe 20,000 players at my stakes in any one week & an unknown number of new names are leaving/joining that level all the time

What to do ?

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Digression central

That cooking crabs is no joke! I read about it in HOMICIDE - a year on the killing streets by David Simon (He created THE WIRE)

Undigressing into poker books I recommend POKER NATION by Andy Bellin for a true picture of the life (you may need to get it used) & Snyders tournament book of course

I made the crabs name up :)

gunner109
01-28-2010, 10:19 AM
I use the same as loki. Like loki said your hud is way to busy for 6max my 2 cents.

acnjcrabby1
01-28-2010, 05:12 PM
I don't play 6max..... I play MTT's

The Minder
01-28-2010, 09:45 PM
No offence to any cash game players here, but any advice on HUD stats given to a MTT player by a cash game player is going to be wrong. So wrong it's almost guaranteed to turn any winning MTT player into a loosing player.

Having said that, and pissed off 3/4 of the forum, I'll give a brief explanation why.

First, ring game players don't have to worry about increasing blinds. If you sit in an MTT with a VPIP of 15 (pretty good for a ring game) you'll be blinded out of the tourney before level 3.

Second, MTTs are all about getting as many of your chips as possible into the pot PRE FLOP (emphasis added) rather than extracting 'value' on every street. By the way, tournies have chips, ring games have dollars hence stats like BB/100 are not only meaningless, they are |insert invective here|.

Third, what a villain did in a ring game yesterday, he will probably do again today and tomorrow, so his stats are consistent and outcomes predictable. What a villain did in an MTT yesterday has limited bearing on what he does in an MTT today and probably no bearing on what he does tomorrow.

Feel free to pm me and I'll give you some thoughts on stats and ranges.

_Loki_
01-28-2010, 10:06 PM
My advice isn't specific to your game type because I don't mtt nor sng, but like you I'm a note demon...


Hi Minder. Why pm? I'd be interested in your ideas & observations on stats & ranges for mtt, sng or ring - it's all grist to the mill

post them here why don't you...

The Minder
01-28-2010, 11:33 PM
Hi Minder. Why pm? I'd be interested in your ideas & observations on stats & ranges for mtt, sng or ring - it's all grist to the mill

post them here why don't you...

Mainly because the stats are only one side of the equation. The second side, verification/validation, is not possible with HM because of RVG's bias towards ring games. I would rather not cast dispersions on RVG/developers in open forum.

a.k.a.Also
01-28-2010, 11:41 PM
I'm MTT/SnG player too.
Can't see why there can't be open discussion as to how we might get more functionality out of HEM until resources are there to "expand" its features in our direction.
The player analysis window is a particular annoyance, and a grid perhaps comparing the range of stats for the current players would be far more use, or perhaps even access to the table so we could plug our own averages in.
Lets face it User voice isn't exactly the easiest place to have a useful dialogue.

_Loki_
01-29-2010, 12:48 AM
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I agree:

... Can't see why there can't be open discussion as to how we might get more functionality out of HEM...

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This is interesting - does any other software do this so I can see what you mean exactly ?

...player analysis window is a particular annoyance, and a grid perhaps comparing the range of stats for the current players would be far more use, or perhaps even access to the table so we could plug our own averages in################

EXACTLY !

... User voice isn't exactly the easiest place to have a useful dialogue################

acnjcrabby1
01-29-2010, 02:01 AM
I hope I started something here! Maybe we can even get a special MTT and S&G part of the forum???

The Minder
01-29-2010, 07:34 AM
I don't think an MTT/SnG strat section of the forum would contribute much, and there are plenty of other sites that cater to poker strat. I'm sure Roy doesn't want a software forum clogged with "you should always re-raise a 4-bet on thursdays"... he's more interested in seeing if he can create a HM stat for 're-raised_4-bets"; and rightly so.

However, I am more than happy to highlight where I think HM can be improved to serve tourney players. The frustrating thing for me is that I know the data is there, I can smell it, but I can't get at it and RVG won't/can't give me the tools even though the tools are already in place for cash games players. So frustrating!

@ Loki. I agree, from my perspective uservoice isn't worth squat. I've sat back and watched HM modified to bring in new poker sites (with an average population of 6... on a good day) that did little more than introduce a whole raft of problems that kept the developers occupied, and yet tourney players still can't get some basic tools. I've seen LeakBuster and Holdem Vision brought in, Table Scanner gone onto steroids and now Table Ninja brought under the HM umbrella all for ring game players, but NOT ONE single aspect developed that I can sit back as a tourney player and say "Roy, that's cool".

[/end rant]

a.k.a.Also
01-29-2010, 01:18 PM
The Minder - absolutely spot on - agree 100% with your "rant"

Didn't mean a strat section either but exactly as you say - let's try and see what useful info we can squeeze out as is, and then if we hit a wall agree what could/should be added/tweaked to to help it along.

The problem will always be the scarcity of stats we're going to have on villains, and therefore I guess not too many folks are going to devote masses of time to develop enhancements as the cash guys are getting.
I'm only a recreational player and only tend to start tinkering when the mood or the doom switches.

But if a few of us can have a bit of a brainstorm I'm sure we could benefit.

Loki - nothing specific with regard to the active player window, but just that it's not that much use as it stands, but as Minder says, the stats are there, just not how or where we need them.

I'll try and spend some time over the next few days and post some thoughts.

B-Money
01-30-2010, 06:02 PM
This is a great discussion guys and we do want to hear suggestions on tourney stats and what you think should be added. Holdem Manager got to be where it is today because we listened to our customers from day 1. I don't see this changing anytime soon so please keep the discussion alive.

I personally filter all bugs and feature requests. Come up with a Top 5 or 10 list of tourney features that you want added and I'll be sure to review and comment on them. I'm fairly busy myself, but I do jump in the forums and help out when requested and I like the direction this thread is going even though it's totally derailed. :-)

Yes, we try to stay away from strategy questions as much as possible. Lets just say we're all breakeven SNG or MTT players. We're not qualified to give strategy advice. :-)

Thanks,
-B

Almost forgot - what about the full tourney support that was added about a year ago? We do want to improve every part of Holdem Manager and that's one reason why there's been so many UI changes recently. This is only the beginning.

The Minder
01-30-2010, 08:36 PM
This is a great discussion guys and we do want to hear suggestions on tourney stats and what you think should be added...

OOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The Minder
01-30-2010, 10:16 PM
This is a great discussion guys and we do want to hear suggestions on tourney stats and what you think should be added.
That's the whole crux of my argument, as an MTT/SnG player I don't want any more stats. 90% of the current stats have no real meaning for a tourney player so creating more stats will do what?


Come up with a Top 5 or 10 list of tourney features that you want added and I'll be sure to review and comment on them..
Wonderful. Where do you want this list, here or in a new thread... if in a new thread, which section. You see where I'm going with this right?

My preference is:
1. Get rid of uservoice.
2. Reintroduce a 'features requests' section with the top five requests stickied. One subsection each for Cash and Tourney.
3. Requested features have to be supported by explanation of 'why' the feature has been identified. Hopefully we can thus avoid "we just gotta have a stat, 17-beer-cans_preflop_on-sundays cos ever1 wants it!".
4. Whoever moderates the thread actually plays more tournies than they do ring games.


Almost forgot - what about the full tourney support that was added about a year ago? We do want to improve every part of Holdem Manager and that's one reason why there's been so many UI changes recently. This is only the beginning.

Hmmm... correct me if I'm wrong, but prior to the 'tourny' release there was nothing in HM for tourney players so I guess something is better than nothing right? And since the tourney release there have been how many 'tourney features' added/upgraded or modified so they actually work?

Let me give you a 'for instance'. Tourney > Graphs and the check box that says "show luck adjusted winnings", which is 'on' by default. I'm not sure what this is supposed to show, because it only applies to STTs in a mix of STT/SnG/MTTs. Imagine the hew and cry if Cash Games > Graphs excluded all hand data for sundays... sometimes!

-B If you're serious about this, then lead on. Make no mistake, I think HM is a great product... I just want it to do what it says it will do.

_Loki_
01-30-2010, 11:00 PM
In support of The Minder - "If wishes were horses"

UserVoice as it stands - far too difficult & time consuming to navigate - a complete mess

Extract from my post of 6 weeks ago:



Before you say... I would rather not stick this on UserVoice because it would get swallowed up. ...

** A categorisation of suggestions into a number of forums

** CITY OF SEATTLE: This site for the city government of Seattle: http://www.ideasforseattle.org/pages/27772-general is powered by UserVoice & it uses categories... they have 14 'forums' down the right-hand side according to city services...

a.k.a.Also
01-31-2010, 05:04 AM
This could be the start of some really meaningful discussion. Just give us a place to thrash some ideas out, and count me in to devote more time to driving this forward.



UserVoice as it stands - far too difficult & time consuming to navigate - a complete mess
:

I suppose it is an easier way to assess the level of support for an idea, and I concede that Roy has gone in and updated progress, but still way too cluttered IMO.


I sense a trend is developing to prevent mass historical datamining though, and if this continues perhaps the wheel will turn back towards manipulation and display of short term villain/table info, which obviously is what we MTT'ers face anyway.

B-Money
01-31-2010, 06:11 PM
Hi,

The problem with making a forum for ideas is everyone expects their idea to be the best and they get frustrated when it doesn't get implemented. Then we take a ton of unnecessary heat about how we don't listen to people. IE, User Voice is an easy way for us to manage this without having to answer questions every day about feature requests.

The last two months have been crazy with all the new changes inside of Holdem Manager. I'm personally pushing to get some loose ends tidied up before we start more major updates. For tourney guys this includes: Export to CSV, choose where you get to export this CSV file. Choose where you get to export hand histories, ability to remember sort order for tournament hands. Some people like to see the first hand first, others like to see the last hand first. Recently we've fixed a column sorting issue, now we need it to remember the sort order on a key column or two. Hopefully all of them, but we really only get requests about remembering it for tourney hands.

As for the EV/Luck graph, I swear when I was playing 90 & 180 person SNG's regularly it calculated EV correctly. I could be wrong though. Let me know what the specific problem is and I'll investigate further. Maybe Roy already addressed it in a thread. Point me to that. :-) We get lots of EV questions/complaints and we can't make everyone happy with how we calculate EV because there's too many different ways to do it. Another case where everyone thinks their way is best. EV video will be made shortly so everyone understand it.

I'm not sure how to open this up so everyone can be heard without it turning ulgy. Maybe I'll make a blog post about the tournament side of HM welcoming comments for other suggestions to improve it. That's probably what I'll do.

I've worked 12-14 hour days 7 days a week for the last 6 weeks and tomorrow is my first day off. Going skiing - But I'll make a blog post in the next week or two about Tournament features and hopefully we can move the discussion to the comment section for the blog I write up about it.

Sound good?
-B

_Loki_
01-31-2010, 08:00 PM
Enjoy your skiing -B

I don't think it will turn ugly - this forum isn't populated by boy/men like many other forums. You use your customers to test ideas that you later charge for so trust them to contribute in a positive way to the direction of the HM product

It is very frustrating not knowing what's happening in the future with HM so the Blog might be good, but before you get fancy with RSS feeds etc why not start emailing us now & then?

Why are your customers left knowing nothing about your new apps etc ?
I have never had an email from RVG telling me about updates or products - this must have cost RVG buckets of money in lost revenue from customers who do not visit here

Make UserVoice a practical tool or do it a different way...
There are suggestions in UserVoice that were implemented months ago - why are they still there ?
Why do we have to go through pages & pages of stuff to get an overview? People can't be bothered to do all that

I could go on... :)

The Minder
01-31-2010, 11:43 PM
yeah, enjoy your skiing.

Taking tourney requirements out of the HM forum and the uservoice will relegate tourney players to the outhouse... a position may of us are already familiar with. Btw, the things you mentioned about fixing for tournies... doomed to failure as the underlying data is diluted. Let me know if you want to know why.

Regarding EV... it only applies to STT... refer http://forums.holdemmanager.com/showthread.php?p=121048#post121048 So lumping this in with all the other tourney data is 'sketchy'. Besides, EV calcs in tournies before getting ITM is pointless imo. But I'll leave that discussion for another time.

I agree that for EV (and prolly many other things) we all have an opinion about the right and wrong of it. What gets my back up is that the EV line is on by default. If there is doubt over something is should be off by default and allowed to be turned on by those who need it. Notwithstanding, the EV parameter would be irrelevant if we could get some decent reports... meh, there I go again.

Whatever hope tourney players had of getting heard has been crushed by the new Rush poker on FTP. All the cash games guys are selling their first born to get HM up and running on this. I feel it's a non issue as people are going to get sick and tired of playing nothing but:

check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, AA, shove... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... why is my BR going down?... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold... check holecards, fold...

a.k.a.Also
02-16-2010, 03:01 PM
For my 50th post I shall bump this most hijacked of threads and ask Mr B-Money..... did we put you off the "How could we develop HEM into a kicka$$ MTT/SNG package" blog..... or you just distracted by all the rather good skiing at the Olympics? ;)

B-Money
02-16-2010, 03:19 PM
Hi,

Still crazy busy but I haven't forgot the tourney players. Also got some Omaha peeps that feel left out too. Rush has been madness along with multi-currency. Once those two are off the table that will free up resources to do some other things. Friday is a big build for multi-currency and hopefully bugs will be minimal once that is released so we can focus on other things.

Blog, oh yes. I'm trying to put them out ever 2 weeks. Looks like that 2 week mark is upon us so I should get something together. This will be the tourney blog for sure. Might be a little light on tourney content, but it will be written in a way that opens the discussion up. Next week I'll be out of the office all week so I'll try to get this blog done before I head out.

GL,
-B

_Loki_
02-16-2010, 03:22 PM
Well said sir akaA

a.k.a.Also
02-16-2010, 04:44 PM
Pfff Omaha peeps - there's a growing (ok slowly growing) band of us PLO8 SNG/tourney peeps so far out in the cold we hire ourselves out to supermarkets when their freezers break down!

Kudos to DrunkAnimal tho who is doing good stuff in the reports section - throw that man an e-mail eh?

The Minder
02-16-2010, 07:49 PM
@ B- The blog idea is, I fear, doomed. People come to this forum seeking advice/support about HM and hiding tourney discussion in another media will probably achieve little except confirm just how little interest Roy has in the matter. God forbid that anything negative be said about HM while the cash game players are around.

If Roy really does want to supports tourney players, and kick PT3 out of the park in the process, then do so where everyone can see what's going on and where everyone can provide input to the process. After the Rush/Currency debacles, RVG would do well to try and win back some kudos.

a.k.a.Also
02-16-2010, 08:24 PM
@ B- The blog idea is, I fear, doomed. People come to this forum seeking advice/support about HM and hiding tourney discussion in another media will probably achieve little except confirm just how little interest Roy has in the matter. God forbid that anything negative be said about HM while the cash game players are around.

If Roy really does want to supports tourney players, and kick PT3 out of the park in the process, then do so where everyone can see what's going on and where everyone can provide input to the process. After the Rush/Currency debacles, RVG would do well to try and win back some kudos.

I hear what you're saying minder, but I for one wouldn't begrudge a little time spent in an off the page discussion about what could be done to improve, what has to be said, is a fairly modest investment in HEM as it stands.
I think we're all agreed that uservoice is no use for constructive discussion, so why not take the opportunity, at least to agree some bullet points and bring it back here, or let B-M take it to Roy?

After all, we invested in the software, knowing its limitations, and there's no reason to knock it as it's still a great product. We just know that there's so much more potential, in our corner of the poker world, waiting to be tapped.

The Minder
02-16-2010, 09:24 PM
@ A.K.A. I hear what your saying and in the main I agree (don't let my gruff exterior put you off), however I bought HM based (in part) on statements like this from the HM web site:


"Hold'em Manager is the poker analytics tool that increases win-rates and gives players the edge needed to move up in limits. Whether you are a recreational micro-stakes player or a high-stakes pro, this is the world's best poker tracking and analysis software.

A must have for any online poker player, Hold'em Manager provides the objective facts you need to improve your own tactics and exploit the weaknesses in your opponents game."

I saw nothing in the HM literature that said that these statements only applied to ring game players. Yep, my fault for not conducting due diligence. But some of that due diligence only becomes apparent after any 15 day trial has finished and monies transfered from one party to another, and that's what pisses me off.

If Roy wants to hide HM's flaws by transferring this discussion elsewhere, so be it. Give me a time and place and I'll turn up.

B-Money
02-16-2010, 10:32 PM
Blog post is up.
The Official Blog For The Hold'Em Manager Community (http://blogs.holdemmanager.com/)

Please keep it civil and respectful. :-)

The blog post addresses some issues and if you think a competitor has better tournament features, this is your chance to be heard. Moved discussion back to a forum post because after I wrote the blog post I noticed the comment section only displays 1 line of text in the quick view. Not great for discussions.


GL,
-B

Ajax
02-19-2010, 12:09 AM
...I have Abb. Name go bright yellow at 25BB or less...
I did not know the HUD could do this.

How would I set this up? Make the color of the Abb. Name stat change to bright yellow when the Big Blinds stat drops below 25.

_Loki_
02-19-2010, 08:57 AM
Ajax

The 'Abb. Name' stat by default is linked to that names' current stack size (expressed in bb's)

HUD Options > Player Pref > Stats tab
Select (highlight) 'Abb. Name' in the 'Display these stats' window
Then in the 'Color Ranges for Abb. Name' window choose the numbers to suit you

At the moment I use...
< 20 = brick red (the bright red is too bright - spoils the clarity of the character)
< 40 = yellow
< inf = grey (gray)

BTW...

IF YOU ALSO SELECT DECIMALS = 2 FOR 'ABB. NAME', then only 3 CHARACTERS are used in the HUD for that stat !! SO I MAKE ABB NAME 3 CHARACTERS LONG, BUT EXTRA LARGE FONT SO I NOTICE THE COLOUR (color) RIGHT AWAY (IF IT'S NOT GREY (gray) ) :)

fozzy71
02-20-2010, 08:27 PM
There is also an actual BigBlinds stat, to go along with the Trny M stat.


http://forums.holdemmanager.com/share-your-hud-configurations/23865-fozzy-you-gonna-post-your-hud.html

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/fozzy71/HMHUD/hm-hud-cash1a.png

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb176/fozzy71/HMHUD/hm-hud-cash1b.png

a.k.a.Also
02-20-2010, 08:40 PM
Hey Fozzy,
Since we've already hi-jacked this thread to infinity and beyond...

Are you able to run multi panel omaha and HE huds on FT and have them stay in place when you play both games at the same time? I still have the prob that 1 messes the other up.

I really should go find the thread we started discussing this shouldn't I?

fozzy71
02-22-2010, 06:29 PM
I just tested and it still goes only by the number of seats at the table, not the game type or HUD config.

a.k.a.Also
02-22-2010, 08:54 PM
I just tested and it still goes only by the number of seats at the table, not the game type or HUD config.

hmmm...thats news to me - so i deleted all my configs and started over in vain until we get a fix?

fozzy71
02-23-2010, 11:54 AM
Yes, unfortunately that seems to be the case. I have added it to our internal feature request list and will add it to our system soon.