Is this considered a donk bet?

[lickyfeet]

Hi.

So I raise preflop and get a caller in the SB. I bet the flop and the SB raises me, I call. He bets out the turn...what is that stat I am looking for here?

Is this donk bet turn? Technically, it is not a donk bet as he took over on the flop as the raiser. What stat should I look for here to see how often he is raising the flop then betting out OOP on the turn?

Thanks!
Stephen

[netsrak]

Thats not possible at the moment. Please suggest it or vote for it here: http://holdemmanager.uservoice.com/pages/5307-holdem-manger-suggestions

[lickyfeet]

Thank you for your reply.

Then I am confused what a donk bet is.

1) Tonight I 3bet a pot and the SB bet into the flop. Isn't this a donk bet? It was not recorded as a flop donk bet.

2) Tonight I donked into the PFR raiser (he was in SB, I in BB) on both flop and turn....on the river he bet out. I consider this a donk on the river as I took the lead on the flop and turn. HM did not record it as a donk bet. What is this then...a river cbet by him as he took the lead preflop?

My guess would be that a donk bet on HM is considered a bet anytime the better is different than the PFR. Whoever took control of the hand on previous streets is irrelevant...is this correct?

Thanks in advance.

[lickyfeet]

I have another one. I just 3bet and the MP and CO called (I on BTN)

MP bet out flop, but no donk bet recorded.

[netsrak]

This is the definition for a donk bet:
Donk Bet Flop

Bet flop before the Pre Flop Raiser has a chance to cbet and does not include limped pots but does include times when you donk and there is more than 2 players whether there is 1 or more players to act as long as you bet and you were not the preflop

And here are the formulas for many stats: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/showthread.php?t=3595

[lickyfeet]

Yes, I understand the donk bet to be what you wrote in your definition.

Two questions:

1) So in my three examples above, two of them I 3bet and I was donked into. Why is this not being recorded as a donk bet, as I 3bet pre and the first player bet into me?

2) Secondly, vs. missed CB if I bet the flop and turn and the PFR bets the river before I have a chance to bet again...what stat does this go under for the PFR on the river?

Thank you.

PS I didn't find any donk bet information in the link you sent.

[netsrak]

The link was just a general information.

For deeper analysis we need the original handhistories of the hands. Please zip and mail them with a link to this thread to support@holdemmanager.net

[lickyfeet]

I don't mind doing that and I can still email you if you feel necessary, but there are only two handhistories needed. I posted them below. Let me know if you still want me to email support directly.


***** Hand History for Game 17692195851 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 18, 01:27:27 ET 2010
Table Sundale (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: jumpmenHOLLA ( $62.75 USD )
Seat 2: FORTY7WINKS ( $56.10 USD )
Seat 3: paulson2 ( $66.25 USD )
Seat 4: Tacomimi ( $23.05 USD )
Seat 5: lickyfeet ( $65.50 USD )
Seat 6: payten ( $18.00 USD )
payten posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
jumpmenHOLLA posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lickyfeet [ Qc Qh ]
FORTY7WINKS folds
paulson2 raises [$1.50 USD]
Tacomimi calls [$1.50 USD]
lickyfeet raises [$7.50 USD]
payten folds
jumpmenHOLLA folds
paulson2 calls [$6.00 USD]
Tacomimi folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Jd, 9c ]
paulson2 bets [$8.50 USD]
lickyfeet raises [$23.00 USD]
paulson2 folds
lickyfeet wins $14.50 USD
lickyfeet wins $32.55 USD from main pot


1) paulson2 bets into the flop after I 3bet. This should be considered a donk bet, no? I don't believe it was recorded as such.



***** Hand History for Game 17690886139 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 18, 12:08:04 ET 2010
Table Teach (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: damient09 ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 2: mr plant ( $54.30 USD )
Seat 3: highplaya ( $69.20 USD )
Seat 4: Bobert ( $38.75 USD )
Seat 5: Philip318 ( $66.25 USD )
Seat 6: lickyfeet ( $55.90 USD )
highplaya posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Bobert posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lickyfeet [ Js Qs ]
Philip318 raises [$1.75 USD]
lickyfeet calls [$1.75 USD]
damient09 folds
mr plant folds
highplaya folds
Bobert folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 5s, Jc ]
Philip318 checks
lickyfeet bets [$3.50 USD]
Philip318 calls [$3.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Philip318 checks
lickyfeet bets [$8.00 USD]
Philip318 calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
Philip318 bets [$10.00 USD]
lickyfeet calls [$10.00 USD]
Philip318 shows [Kc, Ah ]
lickyfeet shows [Js, Qs ]
lickyfeet wins $44.90 USD from main pot


2) My second question is: what is his river bet considered? He was the preflop raiser and he check/called two streets then bet out the river....where do I find this stat?



Thank you.

[netsrak]

I see that it is not counted as a Donk bet. I'll forward it for further help.

Your 2nd question:
His river bet is just a river bet, nothing else

[lickyfeet]

Did you ever find out why it is not being counted as a donk bet?

[netsrak]

I get no answer so far but i'll push it.

[B-Money]

We're looking at it. I too am stumped why this isn't considered a donk bet. I've made a bug request and Programming will help us out. :-)

GL,
-B


I don't mind doing that and I can still email you if you feel necessary, but there are only two handhistories needed. I posted them below. Let me know if you still want me to email support directly.


***** Hand History for Game 17692195851 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 18, 01:27:27 ET 2010
Table Sundale (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 1: jumpmenHOLLA ( $62.75 USD )
Seat 2: FORTY7WINKS ( $56.10 USD )
Seat 3: paulson2 ( $66.25 USD )
Seat 4: Tacomimi ( $23.05 USD )
Seat 5: lickyfeet ( $65.50 USD )
Seat 6: payten ( $18.00 USD )
payten posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
jumpmenHOLLA posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lickyfeet [ Qc Qh ]
FORTY7WINKS folds
paulson2 raises [$1.50 USD]
Tacomimi calls [$1.50 USD]
lickyfeet raises [$7.50 USD]
payten folds
jumpmenHOLLA folds
paulson2 calls [$6.00 USD]
Tacomimi folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jh, Jd, 9c ]
paulson2 bets [$8.50 USD]
lickyfeet raises [$23.00 USD]
paulson2 folds
lickyfeet wins $14.50 USD
lickyfeet wins $32.55 USD from main pot


1) paulson2 bets into the flop after I 3bet. This should be considered a donk bet, no? I don't believe it was recorded as such.



***** Hand History for Game 17690886139 ***** (Full Tilt)
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, January 18, 12:08:04 ET 2010
Table Teach (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: damient09 ( $50.00 USD )
Seat 2: mr plant ( $54.30 USD )
Seat 3: highplaya ( $69.20 USD )
Seat 4: Bobert ( $38.75 USD )
Seat 5: Philip318 ( $66.25 USD )
Seat 6: lickyfeet ( $55.90 USD )
highplaya posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
Bobert posts big blind [$0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lickyfeet [ Js Qs ]
Philip318 raises [$1.75 USD]
lickyfeet calls [$1.75 USD]
damient09 folds
mr plant folds
highplaya folds
Bobert folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, 5s, Jc ]
Philip318 checks
lickyfeet bets [$3.50 USD]
Philip318 calls [$3.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Philip318 checks
lickyfeet bets [$8.00 USD]
Philip318 calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Kh ]
Philip318 bets [$10.00 USD]
lickyfeet calls [$10.00 USD]
Philip318 shows [Kc, Ah ]
lickyfeet shows [Js, Qs ]
lickyfeet wins $44.90 USD from main pot


2) My second question is: what is his river bet considered? He was the preflop raiser and he check/called two streets then bet out the river....where do I find this stat?



Thank you.

[Mike chops]

Donk bets are only counted for raised pots and the hero 3-bet here. I know it's not a very good answer but that's the way the database is organized right now.