PDA

View Full Version : stats



new2hem
12-31-2009, 12:24 PM
just a general question from everyone since im new.

what are TAG stats just with the vpip/pfr/
and what are considered sa fish stats?

hopefully someone with a huge sample size can tell

Patvs
12-31-2009, 10:27 PM
Do you play HU, 6max, or FullRing???

If you play SNG/MTT what's the speed of the touney?

new2hem
01-01-2010, 03:07 AM
im playing FR.
thx so much for the help

Patvs
01-01-2010, 04:02 AM
Full Ring:

TAG = VPIP 10-14 // PFR <8
LAG = VPIP 15-22 // PFR 10-15

A fish has a VPIP of 25+ with a low PFR number. However the most fun are fish, that have a PFR of 0... or a PFR that matches their VPIP)

Though, you can also easily beat the LAG player, if he has a high aggression Factor, just let him bluff his stack away. Or beat the TAG player, by relentlessly bullying him in position.

sonyd71
01-01-2010, 09:35 AM
Do you play HU, 6max, or FullRing???

If you play SNG/MTT what's the speed of the touney?


MTT normal , stats?

thaks.

Patvs
01-01-2010, 01:06 PM
See Full Ring Cash +

since the blinds go up--> blind stealing (and blind defending) become more important.

So very useful stats are:
-Folds vs Steal / Steal
-3bet / 3bet vs steal / Fold to 3-bet

Also you're usually less deep so:
-Fold to Flop CB / CB
-Donkbet flop / Fold to donkbet flop

and out of the three main stats VPIP/PFR/AGG focus more on the AGG stat. The most dangerous players are LAG (high VPIP, high PFR) with a LOW AGG stat.

new2hem
01-02-2010, 04:49 AM
patvs thanks so much for the advice dude. been crushing now since its easier for me to translate the data and include that in my game.

just one more question.
for the agg pct.
what number is gennerally considered very high or aggressive?
i.e mean is 35% considered as aggressive already over a sample size of 500hands?
or is that normal?

Patvs
01-02-2010, 05:16 AM
I've never used Agg %, I use Agg Factor.
Any value between 1.7-2.5 is normal for a TAG/LAG player.

If they have a <1.7 Agg Factor, they don't cbet, semi bluf, riverbluf, donkbet, reraise, information-bet enough... and when they do bet it usually means they've hit the flop (of have a overpair to the board).

If their Agg Factor is 4+ they often cbet, semi bluf, riverbluf, donkbet, reraise, information-bet, etc, so you can checkraise (or reraise) them on a drawy board. (or call/check-call river if you have a good bluff catcher)