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Noble1
11-03-2009, 02:29 PM
I 3B all in pre-flop with KhQh and a 20bb stack in this hand, I was called by
7d3d and Jh6h.

My Equity is somewhere around 50% according to pokerstove but according to Holdem Manager it's, get this 2.5%

As I'm a ratholing SS these equity numbers are really important to me, I just happened to see this one because I was paying attention but I wonder how many more errors like this have gone unnoticed.


Sorry I don't have excel so copied the file to word pad.

Time, Stakes, Cards, Flop, Turn River
11/03/09 17:53:01 $0.5/1 NL Kh Qh R,6d Qd 4d ,(AI), 2h ,(AI), 8d ,(AI)

$, bbs, EV $ Diff, Pos, Facing Preflop, Action
-$20.00, -20.00, $1.68 BTN, Raiser + Caller(s), PFR

All-In, Equity %, Winner, Cards, $ Won,,
Preflop, 2.5, trib13, 7d 3d , $57.65,

This is the hand history
***** Hand History for Game 34872912038 ***** (Poker Stars)
$100.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 03, 05:53:01 ET 2009
Table Nyctimene V (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: trib13 ( $31.65 USD )
Seat 2: DickieLu ( $78.50 USD )
Seat 3: matejkos ( $39.00 USD )
Seat 4: klaMsi ( $187.50 USD )
Seat 5: Swaytje ( $100.00 USD )
Seat 6: Noble007 ( $20.00 USD )
trib13 posts small blind [$0.50 USD].
DickieLu posts big blind [$1.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Noble007 [ Kh Qh ]
matejkos calls [$1.00 USD]
klaMsi raises [$4.00 USD]
Swaytje calls [$4.00 USD]
Noble007 raises [$20.00 USD]
trib13 calls [$19.50 USD]
DickieLu folds
matejkos calls [$19.00 USD]
klaMsi folds
Swaytje folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Qd, 4d ]
trib13 bets [$11.65 USD]
matejkos calls [$11.65 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
trib13 shows [7d, 3d ]
trib13 wins $23.30 USD from main pot
trib13 wins $66.00 USD from main pot
matejkos doesn't show [6h, Jh ]
Noble007 doesn't show [Kh, Qh ]

fozzy71
11-03-2009, 07:19 PM
You cant calculate your all in equity pre-flop, because there were 2 other players who's hands werent known preflop.

Read these threads.

http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/showthread.php?p=98218#post98218

http://www.holdemmanager.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17621&highlight=equity

Noble1
11-03-2009, 07:46 PM
That's quite a significant flaw in the programme then isn't it?

To tell me that my expectation for shoving here is -$18 instead of what it should be which is about +$22.


If HM is unable to calculate my PF equity% because the other 2 hands were not known at the time, then it should read unknown/neutral EV not assign me 2.5% equity PF/On the flop when the cards become known.

I appreciate that this situation maybe doesn't come up all that often but even if it is only 1 in every 1000 hands a similiar scenario to the above would still skew my EV adjusted $ by 2bb/100 which is very bad.

- Still have to read threads u posted, doing that now...

Noble1
11-03-2009, 07:54 PM
Ok read them, thanks.

Quite a big complicated issue it would seem, affects omaha more and me being a short stack obviously.