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jaxx
01-30-2012, 07:10 PM
Hello,
I am trying to create a note 'raise/folds with <20bb'

in preflop tab/general - effective stack size I selected 0 - 19

the following hand is counted as success for player A:


player A with 150bb raises utg 2x,
player B with 25bb flats,
player C with 31bb 3bets to 9bb
A and B fold

all 3 players involved have >20bb. how can this be a note for player A?

sreticentv
01-30-2012, 07:17 PM
In order to make sure everything is understood properly and to facilitate efficient assistance, please submit any requests for help in the following format:

-A definition as an attachment, do not copy paste the xml. If you haven't created a definition, please include the other items
-A hand history that either shows a success or you would like to have show a success. You can easily find these using HEM filters and it is a great way to truly express what you mean!
-A player's name and whether he a.) got a note but should not have b.) should have got a note but didn't
-A brief description of what behavior you were trying to model

jaxx
01-30-2012, 07:46 PM
i sent it to support@notecaddy.com
is this the right place?

sreticentv
01-30-2012, 07:54 PM
all info needs to be posted here in case someone has the same question they can search for it

jaxx
01-31-2012, 05:57 AM
I do a simple definition:
preflop - general tab - I select effective size - 0-19 bb
preflop - actions - I select open min raise, open raise, open oversize raise and fold

why IFIX3g gets the note here when the effective stacks are >20bb ?


***** History for hand T5-147157752-51 (TOURNAMENT: "$14,000 European Rebuy", R-1194-39, buy-in: $22) *****
Start hand: Thu Jun 02 20:53:55 EEST 2011
Table: Table #6 [147157752] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 60/120, Chips)
User: Hero
Button: seat 4
Players in round: 9
Seat 1: clancype (3348)
Seat 2: NightFish77 (5595)
Seat 3: Miksu_ (7050)
Seat 4: lilbluff007 (3820)
Seat 5: penana (1500)
Seat 6: Ripster Boy (2760)
Seat 7: IFIX3g (16495)
Seat 8: DanyLuckyBoy (2550)
Seat 9: Hero (3025)
penana posts small blind (60)
Ripster Boy posts big blind (120)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to Hero: [Ad, Jd]
IFIX3g raises 240 to 240
DanyLuckyBoy folds
Hero calls 240
clancype folds
NightFish77 folds
Miksu_ folds
lilbluff007 raises 1140 to 1140
penana folds
Ripster Boy folds
IFIX3g folds
Hero folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: 900 won by lilbluff007 (900)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 1: clancype (3348)
Seat 2: NightFish77 (5595)
Seat 3: Miksu_ (7050)
Seat 4: lilbluff007 (4480), net: +660
Seat 5: penana (1440), net: -60
Seat 6: Ripster Boy (2640), net: -120
Seat 7: IFIX3g (16255), net: -240
Seat 8: DanyLuckyBoy (2550)
Seat 9: Hero (2785), net: -240
***** End of hand T5-147157752-51 *****

sreticentv
01-31-2012, 06:50 AM
48171

Here's the definition as you email but didn't attach. Player penana has 12 big blinds which puts the effective stack at 12. If you meant to say the raiser's stack was < 20 that's configured on the same screen but on the left

jaxx
01-31-2012, 08:17 AM
ok
I undestand now
is there a way to do a definition saying that the raiser OR the 3bettor must have <20bb ?
or I have to do 2 separate definitions?
if I put the same text on 2 definitions - will it combine them in the same comment?

sreticentv
01-31-2012, 07:38 PM
The same description on 2 separate definitions will combine outputs and that's the recommended way to achieve what you're trying to do here

jaxx
02-01-2012, 12:51 PM
if I deselect cash game in this definition and put the hand above in the test environment I get message:
íncorrect table type: cash game

why is this hand considered cash hand?


-------------
one more question:

for the following hand history, I do a very simple definition - select only preflop action Open shove and put $cardrange variable in the definition
In the HUD replayer I see that the villain had AK, however in the generated note it is written only {}
why is that?

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<session sessioncode="5166346361">
<general>
<mode>real</mode>
<gametype>Holdem NL</gametype>
<tablename>$8,000 Guaranteed R/A, 657614321, 657614321</tablename>
<duration>N/A</duration>
<gamecount>71</gamecount>
<startdate>2011-12-02 18:00:37</startdate>
<currency>USD</currency>
<nickname>Hero</nickname>
<bets>6,500</bets>
<wins>0</wins>
<chipsin>0</chipsin>
<chipsout>0</chipsout>
<ipoints>15</ipoints>
<statuspoints>15</statuspoints>
<awardpoints>15</awardpoints>
<tournamentname>$8,000 Guaranteed R/A</tournamentname><place>244</place><buyin>$10+$1</buyin> <totalbuyin>$41</totalbuyin> <ipoints>15</ipoints> <win>$0</win> <statuspoints>15</statuspoints> <awardpoints>15</awardpoints>}
</general>
<game gamecode="3871336244">
<general>
<startdate>2011-12-02 18:59:04</startdate>
<players>
<player seat="1" name="UnIVerseAtWar" chips="2,547.50" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="2" name="AlexaUKR" chips="3,000" dealer="1" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="3" name="cashmoneyx09" chips="3,090" dealer="0" win="0" bet="100" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="4" name="Cath20118" chips="8,530" dealer="0" win="8,630" bet="8,530" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="5" name="83swfclad83" chips="2,972.50" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="6" name="Midyfon" chips="3,733.75" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="7" name="MrNoBody10" chips="4,810" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="8" name="Hero" chips="2,585" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="10" name="MickyKQ" chips="2,465" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/>
</players>
</general>
<round no="0">
<action no="1" player="cashmoneyx09" type="1" sum="50" cards="[cards]"/><action no="2" player="Cath20118" type="2" sum="100" cards="[cards]"/>
</round>
<round no="1">
<cards type="Pocket" player="UnIVerseAtWar">X X</cards><action no="8" player="UnIVerseAtWar" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="AlexaUKR">X X</cards><action no="9" player="AlexaUKR" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="cashmoneyx09">X X</cards><action no="10" player="cashmoneyx09" type="3" sum="50" cards=""/><action no="12" player="cashmoneyx09" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Cath20118">HA SK</cards><action no="11" player="Cath20118" type="23" sum="8,530" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="83swfclad83">X X</cards><action no="3" player="83swfclad83" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Midyfon">X X</cards><action no="4" player="Midyfon" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="MrNoBody10">X X</cards><action no="5" player="MrNoBody10" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Hero">D8 D4</cards><action no="6" player="Hero" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="MickyKQ">X X</cards><action no="7" player="MickyKQ" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/>
</round>

</game>

sreticentv
02-02-2012, 08:01 AM
if I deselect cash game in this definition and put the hand above in the test environment I get message:
íncorrect table type: cash game

why is this hand considered cash hand?


NC relies on HM to tell it whether it's cash or tournament. The test environment tries to figure it out itself but fails sometimes. Version 2.2.2.6 is going to have a checkbox that you can use to override that.




for the following hand history, I do a very simple definition - select only preflop action Open shove and put $cardrange variable in the definition
In the HUD replayer I see that the villain had AK, however in the generated note it is written only {}
why is that?

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<session sessioncode="5166346361">
<general>
<mode>real</mode>
<gametype>Holdem NL</gametype>
<tablename>$8,000 Guaranteed R/A, 657614321, 657614321</tablename>
<duration>N/A</duration>
<gamecount>71</gamecount>
<startdate>2011-12-02 18:00:37</startdate>
<currency>USD</currency>
<nickname>Hero</nickname>
<bets>6,500</bets>
<wins>0</wins>
<chipsin>0</chipsin>
<chipsout>0</chipsout>
<ipoints>15</ipoints>
<statuspoints>15</statuspoints>
<awardpoints>15</awardpoints>
<tournamentname>$8,000 Guaranteed R/A</tournamentname><place>244</place><buyin>$10+$1</buyin> <totalbuyin>$41</totalbuyin> <ipoints>15</ipoints> <win>$0</win> <statuspoints>15</statuspoints> <awardpoints>15</awardpoints>}
</general>
<game gamecode="3871336244">
<general>
<startdate>2011-12-02 18:59:04</startdate>
<players>
<player seat="1" name="UnIVerseAtWar" chips="2,547.50" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="2" name="AlexaUKR" chips="3,000" dealer="1" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="3" name="cashmoneyx09" chips="3,090" dealer="0" win="0" bet="100" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="4" name="Cath20118" chips="8,530" dealer="0" win="8,630" bet="8,530" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="5" name="83swfclad83" chips="2,972.50" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="6" name="Midyfon" chips="3,733.75" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="7" name="MrNoBody10" chips="4,810" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="8" name="Hero" chips="2,585" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/><player seat="10" name="MickyKQ" chips="2,465" dealer="0" win="0" bet="0" rebuy="0" addon="0"/>
</players>
</general>
<round no="0">
<action no="1" player="cashmoneyx09" type="1" sum="50" cards="[cards]"/><action no="2" player="Cath20118" type="2" sum="100" cards="[cards]"/>
</round>
<round no="1">
<cards type="Pocket" player="UnIVerseAtWar">X X</cards><action no="8" player="UnIVerseAtWar" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="AlexaUKR">X X</cards><action no="9" player="AlexaUKR" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="cashmoneyx09">X X</cards><action no="10" player="cashmoneyx09" type="3" sum="50" cards=""/><action no="12" player="cashmoneyx09" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Cath20118">HA SK</cards><action no="11" player="Cath20118" type="23" sum="8,530" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="83swfclad83">X X</cards><action no="3" player="83swfclad83" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Midyfon">X X</cards><action no="4" player="Midyfon" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="MrNoBody10">X X</cards><action no="5" player="MrNoBody10" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="Hero">D8 D4</cards><action no="6" player="Hero" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/><cards type="Pocket" player="MickyKQ">X X</cards><action no="7" player="MickyKQ" type="0" sum="0" cards=""/>
</round>

</game>

Because you didn't show down and nobody saw your hand

jaxx
02-02-2012, 10:19 AM
Because you didn't show down and nobody saw your hand


- yes, but we have villains hand (AK) stored in the history (probably he showed it voluntary). We do not care if he showed down to the others or mucked after winning the pot. It should be possible this hand to appear in the comment because we know it and it is stored in our database (comment should be villain shoves 50bb with AK, not only villain shoves 50bb with ?)
what do you think?

- is there somewhere a change log where you can see what's new in the version?

- how can I specify in the definition that someone bet the flop and still has chips behind? He may fold to a raise or may go all-in on the flop, but at the moment of the bet he must have more chips remaining

- is there a way to specify that player 3bet preflop but did not shove? He may still have gotten all-in after 4bet but his 3bet was not a shove

sreticentv
02-03-2012, 07:58 AM
- yes, but we have villains hand (AK) stored in the history (probably he showed it voluntary). We do not care if he showed down to the others or mucked after winning the pot. It should be possible this hand to appear in the comment because we know it and it is stored in our database (comment should be villain shoves 50bb with AK, not only villain shoves 50bb with ?)
what do you think?


People show biased hands and that would give you a bad read if NC shows anything they do



- is there somewhere a change log where you can see what's new in the version?


http://assaultwareforums.com/showthread.php?210-Minor-Release-notes



- how can I specify in the definition that someone bet the flop and still has chips behind? He may fold to a raise or may go all-in on the flop, but at the moment of the bet he must have more chips remaining


You can try with manual bet sizes and manual stack sizes to make sure the bet is smaller than the stack



- is there a way to specify that player 3bet preflop but did not shove? He may still have gotten all-in after 4bet but his 3bet was not a shove

same as above

jaxx
02-03-2012, 09:53 AM
People show biased hands and that would give you a bad read if NC shows anything they do



http://assaultwareforums.com/showthread.php?210-Minor-Release-notes



You can try with manual bet sizes and manual stack sizes to make sure the bet is smaller than the stack



same as above


http://assaultwareforums.com/showthread.php?210-Minor-Release-notes
- but not updated since Sept/2011 ?
You can try with manual bet sizes and manual stack sizes to make sure the bet is smaller than the stack

- but I do not know what will be his starting stack, how can I do it? it can be 30bb, it can be 120bb. It would be good if you can say that the bet is at minimum/maxium some percent of the remaining stack?

Olaf
02-03-2012, 12:37 PM
http://assaultwareforums.com/showthread.php?210-Minor-Release-notes



Great, i don't know about this!!

But now - 2.2.2.3 is last.
How about 2.2.2.4 > 2.2.2.6? :)

sreticentv
02-03-2012, 06:45 PM
It was just little miscellaneous bug fixes but yeah I should keep that updated