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Olaf
01-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Hello! I expect Implicit weakness in this hand, but recieve "Incorrect flop hand."

NC - 2.2.2.3 with last build.

A bug or something I did not notice?


Define opportunities by range is set in my Def.


***** History for hand R5-191706313-98 *****
Start hand: Mon Nov 14 03:54:00 GMT 2011
Table: Petach Tikwa [191706313] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 4
Players in Round: 6
Seat 3: HateMeeAgain ($97.0)
Seat 4: Jebio ($101.65)
Seat 5: TGIFriday90 ($126.25)
Seat 8: comtrend8 ($64.63)
Seat 9: copper-sky ($100.13)
Seat 10: Dis Iz Sick ($116.18)
TGIFriday90 posts small blind ($0.50)
comtrend8 posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
copper-sky folds
Dis Iz Sick folds
HateMeeAgain raises $3.0 to $3.0
Jebio calls $3.0
TGIFriday90 folds
comtrend8 folds
--- Dealing flop [Ad, 9c, Qc]
HateMeeAgain bets $7.5
Jebio raises $20.0 to $20.0
PLAYER_USED_TIME_BAN

HateMeeAgain folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $22.5 won by Jebio ($21.38)
Seat 3: HateMeeAgain ($86.5), net: -$10.5
Seat 4: Jebio ($112.53), net: +$10.88
Seat 5: TGIFriday90 ($125.75), net: -$0.5
Seat 8: comtrend8 ($63.63), net: -$1.0
Seat 9: copper-sky ($100.13), net: -$0
Seat 10: Dis Iz Sick ($116.18), net: -$0
***** End of hand R5-191706313-98 *****

nilaynilay
01-19-2012, 06:31 PM
Flop has implicit strength ticked in the definition you attached. changing that to weakness resolves your issue

Olaf
01-19-2012, 07:12 PM
Flop has implicit strength ticked in the definition you attached. changing that to weakness resolves your issue

I remember about the problems with the Implicit Strength, but it was fixed in 2.2.2.3, as I noticed. I have decided that you simply forget about Implicit Weaknes, but did not emphasize it:)

Ok, will wait next release.

nilaynilay
01-19-2012, 07:15 PM
what?
i said you had implicit strength ticked in the definition instead of weakness and thats why its not working

Olaf
01-19-2012, 07:21 PM
what?
i said you had implicit strength ticked in the definition instead of weakness and thats why its not working

I've just been in a parallel reality? I have seen and responded to the other replica!

LOOOOOL......
... Now think it over your "new" answer:)

Olaf
01-19-2012, 07:33 PM
I am not clearly expressed - the problem is that this hand with implicit weaknes does not count as OPPORTUNITY, I have not tested notes, but it is not in SEEK.

nilaynilay
01-19-2012, 08:32 PM
it says success in test environment. success means its a opportunity as well. seek will have this hand marked as succes too if you correct the ticks as i said.
so i dont see what the problem is

Olaf
01-19-2012, 09:11 PM
it says success in test environment. success means its a opportunity as well. seek will have this hand marked as succes too if you correct the ticks as i said.
so i dont see what the problem is


OMG, Nilay, why i must change Strength on Weakness?

I want to be weaknesses were identified as opportunities. I made a definition for this, but it does not SIGNING weakness as OPPORTUNITIES!!!!

I want something like 4/1 in my notes, But where do we take this "1", if NC does not register Implicit Weakness as OPPORTUNITY?

Olaf
01-20-2012, 02:01 AM
Now, i test on other Def - Implicit weakness work only as Success, not Opportunity.

sreticentv
01-20-2012, 06:52 AM
Let me get some clarification here. Who is supposed to get a note and is it supposed to be a success or opportunity?

I see hatemeeagain could potentially get a missed opportunity but in the OP you said it gave you "invalid turn" which is not what I'm getting

Olaf
01-20-2012, 11:09 AM
Let me get some clarification here. Who is supposed to get a note and is it supposed to be a success or opportunity?

I see hatemeeagain could potentially get a missed opportunity but in the OP you said it gave you "invalid turn" which is not what I'm getting

Sorrry for this - of course "Incorrect flop hand"
I wait missed opportunity "Implicit weaknes" for hatemeeagain

sreticentv
01-20-2012, 11:12 AM
in that case indeed it's problem ;)

2.2.2.4 is coming in 8-9 hours though

nilaynilay
01-20-2012, 01:45 PM
in the hand olaf posted hateme folds to pressure. it is a success for implicit weakness and thats what is seen in test enviroment if the weakness box is ticked

now if olaf is saying that when he ticks the strength box and it shows in correct turn hand instead of a opportunity then i can understand else i donot follow.

Edit: i double checked and it is this

when he ticks the strength box and it shows in correct turn hand instead of a opportunity

Olaf
01-20-2012, 02:02 PM
in the hand olaf posted hateme folds to pressure. it is a success for implicit weakness and thats what is seen in test enviroment if the weakness box is ticked

now if olaf is saying that when he ticks the strength box and it shows in correct turn hand instead of a opportunity then i can understand else i donot follow.

Edit: i double checked and it is this

Nilaynilay, ask Sreti about this. Apparently, I brought you into confusion with "turn hand". Of course I meant Flop hand.

Olaf
01-20-2012, 09:52 PM
in that case indeed it's problem ;)

2.2.2.4 is coming in 8-9 hours though


Sreti, You were quick with this version :o


Take my def from first post and test with this hands:



1) SEEK - Opportunity - incorrect flop hand??? Test show Candidate

My def work with "Define opp. with range", so, why i see this hand? : No ShowDown, No Implicit.



***** History for hand R5-190563532-334 *****
Start hand: Thu Nov 10 02:26:00 GMT 2011
Table: Odense [190563532] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 7
Players in Round: 6
Seat 3: stinka1 ($48.5)
Seat 5: ezartl ($196.7)
Seat 6: Lacoste5 ($271.08)
Seat 7: 2pac187CPT ($109.83)
Seat 8: HateMeeAgain ($119.38)
Seat 10: zak_moglis ($116.71)
HateMeeAgain posts small blind ($0.50)
zak_moglis posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
stinka1 folds
ezartl folds
Lacoste5 folds
2pac187CPT folds
HateMeeAgain raises $2.5 to $3.0
zak_moglis calls $2.0
--- Dealing flop [Kh, 9h, 3h]
HateMeeAgain bets $6.0
zak_moglis folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $6 won by HateMeeAgain ($5.7)
Seat 3: stinka1 ($48.5), net: -$0
Seat 5: ezartl ($196.7), net: -$0
Seat 6: Lacoste5 ($271.08), net: -$0
Seat 7: 2pac187CPT ($109.83), net: -$0
Seat 8: HateMeeAgain ($122.08), net: +$2.7
Seat 10: zak_moglis ($113.71), net: -$3.0
***** End of hand R5-190563532-334 *****


2) Resolved - my fault.




3) What happened with Definition Drag and Drop featchure?
She has worked in version 2.2.2.3, but with glitches. Now, she work only for "Start" Tab.

sreticentv
01-21-2012, 10:20 AM
Thank you olaf. I will look at this more closely later




3) What happened with Definition Drag and Drop featchure?
She has worked in version 2.2.2.3, but with glitches. Now, she work only for "Start" Tab.


The UI is based on third party controls and as you say it had some glitches which I am helpless to solve. I had to remove the feature since there were many support requests coming in and without some support reductions this software can't get new features

Olaf
01-21-2012, 11:03 AM
Ty Sreti.

I understand that right now you have serious headache with restarting notes creation in HM2, but do not forget that incorrect/ incomplete results are not less harmful than their absence. If possible, do not tighten with General Strength and Implicit problems.

nilaynilay
01-21-2012, 12:12 PM
Cliffs:
There is a bug with implicit strength. i am going to write this up.

hand1 is a bug with strength. this should be a success with implicit strength but it says incorrect flop hand-candidate.

implicit weakness says incorrect flop hand. this is correct as player didnt have any chance to show weakness as he didnt face a bet or raise.

hand2 not a bug. if you specify strength it says incorrect flop hands * candidate*. I guess you missed the candidate part.
this means its a missed opportunity. the flop hand is incorrect as he didnt show strength. and its a candidate as he could have shown it .

if you specify weakness it works correctly as success.

Olaf
01-21-2012, 12:45 PM
Cliffs:
There is a bug with implicit strength. i am going to write this up.

hand1 is a bug with strength. this should be a success with implicit strength but it says incorrect flop hand-candidate.

implicit weakness says incorrect flop hand. this is correct as player didnt have any chance to show weakness as he didnt face a bet or raise.

hand2 not a bug. if you specify strength it says incorrect flop hands * candidate*. I guess you missed the candidate part.
this means its a missed opportunity. the flop hand is incorrect as he didnt show strength. and its a candidate as he could have shown it .

if you specify weakness it works correctly as success.


You are right about hand2 - This is Opportunity, so I should not see {implicit weaknes} - my fault.

But explain to the hand1?
HERO CB, Opponent instant fold. but you write "this should be a success with implicit strength". There was no "continuing to show agression" Like CB > Call > CB > Opponent Fold, or CB > Raise > Hero Reraise > Opponent fold. So, no Success, no opport. in this case (Def. opportun. by range) - I'm right?

nilaynilay
01-21-2012, 01:11 PM
HERO CB, Opponent instant fold. but you write "this should be a success with implicit strength". There was no "continuing to show agression" Like CB > Call > CB > Opponent Fold, or CB > Raise > Hero Reraise > Opponent fold. So, no Success, no opport. in this case (Def. opportun. by range) - I'm right?

This is for Sreti to clarify. You maybe be right here. the cbet was his first action the flop. so he did win the pot without showdown. but we defined implicit on the flop and this was his first action. since villain folded we can argue he didnt get any chance to show aggression

I understand the point you are making. This comes down to the way its defined. Once that is clarified i can change the bug report.

sreticentv
01-21-2012, 06:18 PM
lol what a huge mistake it was to add the implicits functionality. Maybe 5 people use it and it's a massive pain in the ass to get working for all scenarios :(

Olaf
01-21-2012, 06:26 PM
lol what a huge mistake it was to add the implicits functionality. Maybe 5 people use it and it's a massive pain in the ass to get working for all scenarios :(

Cry of the soul? This feature actually uses so few people? This is great ;) But frankly - weird. Why? It's a great idea!

Do not despair. Just once came over a lot of problems - but it's not forever:)

nilaynilay
01-21-2012, 06:48 PM
Maybe 5 people use it

Not true at all. this is arguably the best feature and absolutely all the top NC users use it.

Olaf
01-21-2012, 06:53 PM
taken away.


Do not even joke like that! This feature makes the tons of useful information!

Olaf
01-21-2012, 07:53 PM
to get working for all scenarios :(

This is a complex branching system?
It looks like - yes, as in one and the same Def. i recieve SUCCESS {Implicit Strength} - that is true,
Immediately Opportunity - which is not true. Must to Be Success {Implicit Strength}


Flop Range is set.

1) SUCCESS - that is true: HateMeeAgain me shown aggression and won without SD.

***** History for hand R5-189020211-116 *****
Start hand: Fri Nov 04 10:11:00 GMT 2011
Table: Chicago [189020211] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 3
Players in Round: 6
Seat 2: goldbaer1975 ($77.56)
Seat 3: lourk ($120.29)
Seat 4: rabbyday ($101.36)
Seat 5: TrudiTrouble ($100.0)
Seat 9: altous1 ($156.11)
Seat 10: HateMeeAgain ($99.5)
rabbyday posts small blind ($0.50)
TrudiTrouble posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
altous1 calls $1.0
HateMeeAgain raises $3.0 to $3.0
goldbaer1975 folds
lourk folds
rabbyday folds
TrudiTrouble folds
altous1 calls $2.0
--- Dealing flop [Kh, 3d, 9c]
altous1 checks
HateMeeAgain checks
--- Dealing turn [2s]
altous1 bets $5.5
HateMeeAgain raises $15.0 to $15.0
altous1 folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $18.5 won by HateMeeAgain ($17.58)
Seat 2: goldbaer1975 ($77.56), net: -$0
Seat 3: lourk ($120.29), net: -$0
Seat 4: rabbyday ($100.86), net: -$0.5
Seat 5: TrudiTrouble ($99.0), net: -$1.0
Seat 9: altous1 ($147.61), net: -$8.5
Seat 10: HateMeeAgain ($108.58), net: +$9.08
***** End of hand R5-189020211-116 *****


2) OPPORTUNITY - that is untrue: HateMeeAgain me shown aggression and won without SD AGAIN

Possible reason for the error lies in the fact that the opponent was trying to seize the initiative and NC do not recognize it?


***** History for hand R5-190377841-110 *****
Start hand: Wed Nov 09 03:06:00 GMT 2011
Table: Omdurman [190377841] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 9
Players in Round: 6
Seat 4: Pokeroneone ($187.85)
Seat 5: w4stemyh4te ($255.77)
Seat 6: Chefstrich ($100.0)
Seat 7: HateMeeAgain ($100.0)
Seat 8: kodakske ($35.0)
Seat 9: anlink8750 ($40.48)
Pokeroneone posts small blind ($0.50)
w4stemyh4te posts big blind ($1)
kodakske posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Chefstrich folds
HateMeeAgain raises $4.0 to $4.0
kodakske folds
anlink8750 folds
Pokeroneone calls $3.5
w4stemyh4te folds
--- Dealing flop [Kc, 9c, 8h]
Pokeroneone checks
HateMeeAgain checks
--- Dealing turn [4h]
Pokeroneone bets $4.0
HateMeeAgain raises $16.0 to $16.0
Pokeroneone calls $12.0
--- Dealing river [3h]
Pokeroneone bets $35.0
HateMeeAgain raises $80.0 to $80.0 [all in]
Pokeroneone folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $112 won by HateMeeAgain ($109)
Seat 4: Pokeroneone ($132.85), net: -$55.0
Seat 5: w4stemyh4te ($254.77), net: -$1.0
Seat 6: Chefstrich ($100.0), net: -$0
Seat 7: HateMeeAgain ($154.0), net: +$54.0
Seat 8: kodakske ($34.0), net: -$1.0
Seat 9: anlink8750 ($40.48), net: -$0
***** End of hand R5-190377841-110 *****

Olaf
01-26-2012, 03:34 PM
Guys, there is some progress? Become too quiet now:)

sreticentv
01-26-2012, 07:11 PM
Patches are usually released Fridays and this will be addressed for tomorrow's release

Olaf
02-02-2012, 03:03 PM
Hello Guys, now I have a little time to test your changes in 2.2.2.6!

Page 1 and 2 - Great work, problems have been fixed, thanks!


Page 3, my post #25, paragraph 2 - the problem remains!


And something new :D


I expect Opportunity in this hand, but Test show me Incorrect River hand.
This is serious problem, because NC don't calculate any River Hands with Implicit Weakness in this case


***** History for hand R5-191063533-595 *****
Start hand: Sat Nov 12 02:25:00 GMT 2011
Table: Baton Rouge [191063533] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 7
Players in Round: 5
Seat 3: Fodurrr ($56.81)
Seat 7: Lorgy1 ($244.51)
Seat 8: HateMeeAgain ($100.0)
Seat 9: CardLadyF ($154.74)
Seat 10: El.Pescador. ($105.63)
HateMeeAgain posts small blind ($0.50)
CardLadyF posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
El.Pescador. folds
Fodurrr folds
Lorgy1 folds
HateMeeAgain raises $2.5 to $3.0
CardLadyF calls $2.0
--- Dealing flop [2h, 8s, Ts]
HateMeeAgain bets $4.5
CardLadyF calls $4.5
--- Dealing turn [7c]
HateMeeAgain bets $11.5
CardLadyF calls $11.5
--- Dealing river [6c]
HateMeeAgain bets $22.0
CardLadyF raises $135.74 to $135.74 [all in]
HateMeeAgain folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $82 won by CardLadyF ($79)
Seat 3: Fodurrr ($56.81), net: -$0
Seat 7: Lorgy1 ($244.51), net: -$0
Seat 8: HateMeeAgain ($59.0), net: -$41.0
Seat 9: CardLadyF ($192.74), net: +$38.0
Seat 10: El.Pescador. ($105.63), net: -$0
***** End of hand R5-191063533-595 *****

48591

sreticentv
02-02-2012, 07:34 PM
Thank you I will look into it

johncc
02-03-2012, 08:51 AM
how do i get 2.2.2.6, as each link i find is 2.2.2.3

Olaf
02-03-2012, 09:11 AM
http://www.assaultware.com/NoteCaddy.latest.zip
or Download 2.2.2.3 and program autoupdate themselves till last version

johncc
02-03-2012, 09:30 AM
maybe its me but it still says 2.2.2.3

Olaf
02-03-2012, 10:42 AM
It is strange. The 2.2.2.3 program does auto update? After that, the version number must be replaced without a reboot NC.
Maybe you have 2 installed NC on your PC? Check path.

johncc
02-03-2012, 10:53 AM
was extracting them to roaming folder and not hem2 in program files

I have 2.2.2.6 now

Olaf
02-03-2012, 12:13 PM
Definition show right results - SUCCESS, but show {} instead of {Implicit stength}
Hero: HateMeeAgain


48771


***** History for hand R5-189021884-204 *****
Start hand: Fri Nov 04 11:18:00 GMT 2011
Table: [SPEED] Eugene [189021884] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM $0.50/$1, Real money)
Button: seat 8
Players in Round: 6
Seat 1: wisedm85 ($35.0)
Seat 5: HateMeeAgain ($105.46)
Seat 6: Prejudice. ($107.58)
Seat 7: whyloosercry ($117.38)
Seat 8: eb27 ($112.45)
Seat 10: GiveMeTuPaga ($102.0)
GiveMeTuPaga posts small blind ($0.50)
wisedm85 posts big blind ($1)
---
Dealing pocket cards
HateMeeAgain raises $3.0 to $3.0
Prejudice. folds
whyloosercry folds
eb27 calls $3.0
GiveMeTuPaga folds
wisedm85 folds
--- Dealing flop [Td, 9s, 3s]
HateMeeAgain checks
eb27 checks
--- Dealing turn [Qh]
HateMeeAgain bets $5.0
eb27 calls $5.0
--- Dealing river [Kc]
HateMeeAgain bets $13.0
eb27 folds
---
Summary:
Main pot: $17.5 won by HateMeeAgain ($16.63)
Seat 1: wisedm85 ($34.0), net: -$1.0
Seat 5: HateMeeAgain ($114.09), net: +$8.63
Seat 6: Prejudice. ($107.58), net: -$0
Seat 7: whyloosercry ($117.38), net: -$0
Seat 8: eb27 ($104.45), net: -$8.0
Seat 10: GiveMeTuPaga ($101.5), net: -$0.5
***** End of hand R5-189021884-204 *****

Olaf
02-04-2012, 11:14 AM
Apologies for the obsession, but I'm not sure that the developers paid attention to post # 25, 28 - Views: 0.


I understand that it takes your time, but, please, some react on the post will be great!

sreticentv
02-04-2012, 07:18 PM
I think I fixed everything for the next version now but I am going to close this thread since it is getting too hard to read. If something got missed or something else comes up, please create a new thread