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vyvojer
12-20-2011, 09:15 AM
Hi,

I downloaded the HalfPotRiverIsNuts badge definition.
But players deserving of this badge didn't get it.
I changed the definition's value "Difference in instance/opportunity as a precer" to 0 and processed my DB again. To test, I processed only a small part of the DB. I got strange results:
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That player bet half-pot 6 times with quads, nuts flush and full-houses. There was only one not nuts - overfull AA76ds on (AT4)TQ board (player has 2nd absolute nuts).
And the player has $strengthversusaverage = -16%.

For full DB he had $strengthversusaverage = -69% with quads, full-house x 9, nuts flush x 3, trips, nothing. Only one bluff bet from 17 and only one a relatively weak for PLO hand - trips.

And he is 69% weaker, than a average halfpotter?
Or there is a bug or I'm wrong to undrestand this variable.

nilaynilay
12-20-2011, 03:17 PM
in omaha many hands that might seem nuttish might not be so

for a start check the average strength in the def cols on the left
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also post the hands in your screen shot

a.k.a.Also
12-20-2011, 03:51 PM
I'm having fun with this one too :)

Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?



Also

nilaynilay
12-20-2011, 03:56 PM
Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?
are u using standalone version or hm2 only hm2 will have the goodies

a.k.a.Also
12-20-2011, 04:03 PM
are u using standalone version or hm2 only hm2 will have the goodies

Erm, HM2 - dats why I is posting in here ;)

(I'm posting over there too - gotta keep u guys on your toes!)

nilaynilay
12-20-2011, 04:05 PM
post a screen shot pls. this is very weird. prolly also start your own sep thread for this

vyvojer
12-20-2011, 07:23 PM
in omaha many hands that might seem nuttish might not be so

for a start check the average strength in the def cols on the left

also post the hands in your screen shot

Still, even in omaha on river nuts is nuts :)
I think there are two problems:
The first problem is that NC doesn't count a river's nuts strength as 100 for PLO. (I already reported about this bug in August: http://forums.holdemmanager.com/general-support/86341-official-notecaddy-hm-app-thread-8.html#post581181)

There is hand from that player with $strengthversusaverage = -16%:




PokerStars Game #69019972233: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00 USD) - 2011/10/15 21:18:45 CET [2011/10/15 15:18:45 ET]
Table 'Poincare VI' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: INYAFACE21 ($30.90 in chips)
Seat 2: 1sikrex ($67.80 in chips)
Seat 3: vyvojer ($104.10 in chips)
Seat 4: The tilt guy ($33.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Olga12323 ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: maciekzbg ($98.50 in chips)
The tilt guy: posts small blind $0.50
Olga12323: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to vyvojer [Ks 7s 7h Qh]
maciekzbg: folds
INYAFACE21: folds
1sikrex: calls $1
vyvojer: folds
The tilt guy: calls $0.50
Olga12323: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s 8c 9c]
The tilt guy: checks
Olga12323: bets $2.85
1sikrex: calls $2.85
The tilt guy: folds
*** TURN *** [6s 8c 9c] [Ah]
Olga12323: checks
1sikrex: checks
*** RIVER *** [6s 8c 9c Ah] [Kc]
Olga12323: bets $4
1sikrex: calls $4
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Olga12323: shows [Ac 8s 2s 7c] (a flush, Ace high)
1sikrex: mucks hand
Olga12323 collected $15.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16.70 | Rake $0.80
Board [6s 8c 9c Ah Kc]
Seat 1: INYAFACE21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 1sikrex mucked [5s Jd 9s 9d]
Seat 3: vyvojer (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: The tilt guy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Olga12323 (big blind) showed [Ac 8s 2s 7c] and won ($15.90) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: maciekzbg folded before Flop (didn't bet)


The player has nuts, but hand's strength was only 96%:

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The second problem is the average strength.
I followed your instructions and got very improbable value:

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It's impossible, that a average river half-potter has strength 97%.
But logically $strengthversusaverage can be -16%, because nuts have only 96%. So the definition is right, but the hand strength and the average hand strength are wrong.

nilaynilay
12-20-2011, 07:28 PM
Hi mate,
going to get sreti to drop in on this.

sreticentv
12-22-2011, 10:43 AM
I will look at this in depth ASAP

sreticentv
12-25-2011, 08:25 AM
I'm having fun with this one too :)

Nilay, I don't seem to have description or average strength in the column chooser?



I think you've been using NC for awhile so there's a chance your grid settings got saved before this was an option. If you go to HEM roaming and delete the file noteDefinitionsLayout.xml then it will reset the note grid completely.


I will look at this in depth ASAP

I found there was a bug in the routine that calculates average strength when checking if badges should be displayed. This will be fixed in the next version.

vyvojer
12-25-2011, 08:34 AM
Good news!
What about the bug with a omaha's hand strength calculation?

vyvojer
01-17-2012, 10:19 AM
In the version 2.2.2.3 nuts is nuts, but unfortunately not nuts is nuts too:

Ac 8s 2s 7c on 6s 8c 9c Ah Kc is 100%, fine.
Qc 8s 2s 7c on 6s 8c 9c Ah Kc is 100%, must be 96%!
Jc 8s 2s 7c on 6s 8c 9c Ah Kc is 99%, must be 93%.
Tc 8s 2s 7c on 6s 8c 9c Ah Kc is 99%, must be 90%.

vyvojer
01-18-2012, 06:40 AM
"Avg Strength" is still an improbable value:

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vyvojer
04-29-2012, 06:41 AM
The general strength is still very wrong:

Board: 8d 7d Js 2d Kh


Kh 3d Ts 2s is 99%, must be 96%
4h 3d Ts 2s is 96%, must be 85%
9h 3d Ts 2s is 96%, must be 79%
Ks Kd Ts 2s is 100%, must be 76%
3h 3d Ts 2s is 89%, must be 9%
4h 3d Ts 2s is 47%, must be 7%

So, the CaddySpark and the $successversusaverage shows absolutely false information. And everyone who uses them is losing money.

sreticentv
04-29-2012, 07:34 PM
I will look into it!

This has nothing to do with successversusaverage though. Maybe you mean $strengthversusaverage?