Makonnen
08-29-2008, 05:25 PM
I am looking to create a better EV report. Actually, this may be available already--if so, I can't find it. But, here is what I am looking for:
A report that will factor EV per street for all opponents whose holecards are known at the end of the hand. $ put in by opponents whose holecards are unknown remains unaccounted for in the report. The motivation behind this is that, especially at tables > 100 BB deep, the key bet is not the one that puts both players all in. As such, one's All In EV is often distorted. Here is how it would work, taking first a fairly simple example, putting the blinds at $1/$2 just to make the math easier (please, no comments on the hand, it is not meant to be either real or well-played).
Villain is the BB with 8h9h, Hero is the SB with Ah9s. Say there is no action preflop. There is now $3 in the pot. Hero has $EV of $2.02, Villain has $EV of $0.98 (all calcs from PokerStove).
Flop comes 9d5hTh. Hero bets $2, Villain raises to $8, Hero calls. So $16 was put in on the flop, with equities of 57.67% and 42.32%. Hero gets an additional $9.23, Villain an additional $6.77. Turn is 4h, another $50 goes into the pot, giving Hero another $7.95 in EV, Villain another $42.05.
River is the 7h, Hero goes all in for $54 more, Villain calls. Hero gets all $108of the $EV there, of course, but his $EV for the hand is only $127.19, compared to $49.81 for the Villain.
This more accurately reflects the flow of money in the hand, including the part of the pot Hero put in while well behind.
Rather than going through more examples, which I have and can do, I'll stop here. Is this possible in HEM? Does it exist now? If it is possible, but does not exist, I'd be happy to contribute some programming/database time towards making it happen, as I think this would be an invaluable tool. At least, for me it would ...
A report that will factor EV per street for all opponents whose holecards are known at the end of the hand. $ put in by opponents whose holecards are unknown remains unaccounted for in the report. The motivation behind this is that, especially at tables > 100 BB deep, the key bet is not the one that puts both players all in. As such, one's All In EV is often distorted. Here is how it would work, taking first a fairly simple example, putting the blinds at $1/$2 just to make the math easier (please, no comments on the hand, it is not meant to be either real or well-played).
Villain is the BB with 8h9h, Hero is the SB with Ah9s. Say there is no action preflop. There is now $3 in the pot. Hero has $EV of $2.02, Villain has $EV of $0.98 (all calcs from PokerStove).
Flop comes 9d5hTh. Hero bets $2, Villain raises to $8, Hero calls. So $16 was put in on the flop, with equities of 57.67% and 42.32%. Hero gets an additional $9.23, Villain an additional $6.77. Turn is 4h, another $50 goes into the pot, giving Hero another $7.95 in EV, Villain another $42.05.
River is the 7h, Hero goes all in for $54 more, Villain calls. Hero gets all $108of the $EV there, of course, but his $EV for the hand is only $127.19, compared to $49.81 for the Villain.
This more accurately reflects the flow of money in the hand, including the part of the pot Hero put in while well behind.
Rather than going through more examples, which I have and can do, I'll stop here. Is this possible in HEM? Does it exist now? If it is possible, but does not exist, I'd be happy to contribute some programming/database time towards making it happen, as I think this would be an invaluable tool. At least, for me it would ...