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AJG
08-08-2009, 12:59 PM
I have noticed in the HUD popup, sometimes a player will have stats such that Call Open > VPIP. How can this be, as an +1 open call is ald so +1 VPIP?

netsrak
08-08-2009, 03:37 PM
VPIP is not counted in the Blinds.
Call open is calling raises from everywhere.

See the FAQ: http://www.holdemmanager.net/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

mikew0707
08-08-2009, 03:50 PM
VPIP is not counted in the Blinds.
Call open is calling raises from everywhere.

See the FAQ: http://www.holdemmanager.net/faq/afmviewfaq.aspx?faqid=155

I don't think that is correct, VPIP means you voluntarily put money in the pot....if you call from small blind or call a raise from BB, that should count as vpip.

AJG
08-08-2009, 04:16 PM
I don't think that is correct, VPIP means you voluntarily put money in the pot....if you call from small blind or call a raise from BB, that should count as vpip.
My thinking exactly.

everytime you call a raise, no matter what position, it is VP$IP also, so to my logic it chould never by > VPIP

AJG
08-08-2009, 04:22 PM
Cut an paste straight from the faq article you linked netsrak (I did also rtfm)

VPIP:
Voluntarily Put $ In Pot, The SB and BB postings are not voluntary unless they add more money eg SB calling or BB calling or raising

Call Open:
This is when there is when your facing a raise and you just call preflop.

So I dont see how Call Open can ever be > VPIP??

netsrak
08-09-2009, 03:14 AM
If you call a Raise in the BB its counted for the "Call open" but not for the VPIP.
So i think it can happen (but only when you have very few hands of a player)

Didace
08-09-2009, 07:03 AM
Cut an paste straight from the faq article you linked netsrak (I did also rtfm)

VPIP:
Voluntarily Put $ In Pot, The SB and BB postings are not voluntary unless they add more money eg SB calling or BB calling or raising

Call Open:
This is when there is when your facing a raise and you just call preflop.

So I dont see how Call Open can ever be > VPIP??
You play 10 hands.

5 times you face an open raise and you call three times - 3/5=60%

The other 5 times it is folded to you. You raise or call the blinds 2 of those times. Total times you have voluntarily put $ in pot - 2+3=5. 5/10=50%.

Call Open = 60%
VPIP = 50%
60%>50%