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Hasuwisp
07-14-2009, 07:02 PM
why is r1>pfr of all my opps in the games where there is no limpers?

Mike chops
07-14-2009, 11:41 PM
Can you send me the contents of the importing\hud data folder the next time you see this?

mike@holdemanager.net

Mike chops
07-14-2009, 11:46 PM
No, it's because people don't 3-bet as many hands as they have raised with if the pot is unopened. Say it folds to me on the button. I'm stealing with Ax, but would fold if the pot is opened ahead of me.

Hasuwisp
07-15-2009, 08:09 PM
From HEm manual stats definitions:
"Preflop Raise: When someone raise pf, if someone 3bets this is also counted towards your pfr as well"
"Raise First: Raise first is similiar to pre flop Raise except it doesnt include 3bets as its only the 1st person to raise that has their raise first stat affected and it doesnt inlucde raising limpers"
Isnt pfr=r1+3b? so it should be >r1?:)

Mike chops
07-15-2009, 10:14 PM
No because raise first is the % of hands you raised, where you have a chance to open first. You would be right if it was a % of all hands.

Hasuwisp
07-15-2009, 10:38 PM
No because raise first is the % of hands you raised, where you have a chance to open first. You would be right if it was a % of all hands.

So how can it be higher than pfr if pfr counts this + the times i raised when i wasnt first to raise?

Hasuwisp
07-15-2009, 10:40 PM
No because raise first is the % of hands you raised, where you have a chance to open first. You would be right if it was a % of all hands.

"Raise First: Raise first is similiar to pre flop Raise except it doesnt include 3bets"? form stats definitions it looks it should be lower than pfr also.

Hasuwisp
07-20-2009, 02:40 AM
K guess its bug:

game with no limpers
%you raise=x
%when noone raised before you=y
r1=y*x
pfr=x+3b%
r1>pfr means y*x>x+3b* | /x
y>1+3b/x means y>1 which cant be.

Mike chops
07-20-2009, 08:12 PM
The stat definitions are wrong. I posted the correct definitions earlier in the thread.

Mike chops
07-20-2009, 09:32 PM
...and sorry for the confusion :(