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alllala
10-04-2011, 09:36 PM
Take a look for yourself.
In the HH below HM 1.12.03 does count the Rivercheck of Hero as a Contibet.

Unfortunately another glitch in HM1.

If the Formula for the River is broken my this also be the case for the Turn?


***** Hand History for Game 10911323149 *****
$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 22, 18:56:31 CEST 2011
Table Speed #2355335 (No DP) (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 3: AwolNatioN ( $220.60 USD )
Seat 1: Cardiolog1st ( $229.40 USD )
Seat 4: callmejc ( $26.64 USD )
Seat 5: jnarf ( $200 USD )
Seat 2: ribaa555 ( $100.90 USD )
Seat 6: straffel ( $408.80 USD )
Cardiolog1st posts small blind [$1 USD].
ribaa555 posts big blind [$2 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
AwolNatioN folds
callmejc folds
straffel raises [$5 USD]
Cardiolog1st raises [$16 USD]
ribaa555 folds
straffel calls [$12 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7h, 5d, Td ]
Cardiolog1st bets [$20.50 USD]
straffel calls [$20.50 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Cardiolog1st bets [$40 USD]
straffel calls [$40 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
Cardiolog1st checks
straffel checks
Cardiolog1st shows [ Js, Jh ]two pairs, Jacks and Tens.
straffel doesn't show [ 9d, 9c ]two pairs, Tens and Nines.
Cardiolog1st wins $154 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Jacks and Tens.

Sarek
10-05-2011, 12:53 PM
Please update to the latest version 1.12.04
http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe
and see what happens (import same hands in a new database)

alllala
10-05-2011, 01:03 PM
Please update to the latest version 1.12.04
http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe
and see what happens (import same hands in a new database)

Why donīt you do it yourself?
From the release note i canīt see that 1.12.04 would make any difference

Release Notes:

1.12.04
New Table Scanner sites added. Currently in later stages of Beta.
Misc Table Scanner Updates
Fixed Table Scanner Merge join table button
Fixed Hand Range Tool crash
Fixed Stars $30 6MAX hyper turbo no EV Diff being calculated

Patvs
10-05-2011, 09:31 PM
I imported the hand.
Flop Cbet % = 100%
Turn Cbet % = 100%

River Cbet % = 0%
River Cbet % 3bet Pot = 0%


Reimport your hands into a NEW database: Options--> Database Management--> Connect--> Create New Database--> (set it as default)--> Start HoldemManager

alllala
10-05-2011, 10:36 PM
Nope. I installed 1.12.04 and did create a new Database to import to (as i already did before posting with 1.12.03), but the error keeps showing up.

I get for the imported hand.
Flop Cbet % = 100%
Turn Cbet % = 100%

River Cbet % = 0%
River Cbet % 3bet Pot = 100%

I forgot to mention that this shows in the Pop-up Hud. The Report stat seems fine. That may be because the formula for both is different.

quakes
10-06-2011, 07:40 AM
Same problem here, in the HUD it says I cbet river in 3bet pots 100% (58/58), in the report section it says 75% which seems reasonable (this is a fresh database, still using 12.03c but I don't think stats are changed in .04).

Patvs
10-08-2011, 01:14 PM
HUD stats and report stats (although the stats are the same) use a different formula (one of the things that is changed in HM2).

You're right the River Cbet 3Bet Pot wrongly shows 100% if you add it as a HUD stat.
I'll write up a bug report for this to be fixed as soon as possible.


#2690

alllala
10-10-2011, 09:44 PM
Does that mean, we have to wait 6 month for a fix and then reimport all the Hands?

You can see, Iīm a little mad at the HM team, since it took so long for these new stats to finally appear and then you guys didnīt even bother to check if they all really work. What does that mean for the other new stats - Are they reliable?

Patvs
10-10-2011, 11:14 PM
A reimport will likely not be required.
It's just a bug in the HUD stat formula.


The bug was already written up in august (HM 1.12.01), affecting:
Turn cb 3bet pot HUD stat - different in HUD compared to reports.
River cb 3bet pot HUD stat - different in HUD compared to reports. This HUD stat is always - or 100.
Fold to river cb 3bet pot HUD stat - different in HUD compared to reports. This HUD stat is always - or 0.
Flop 3bet Pot CB
Fold to flop CB 3Bet Pot
Call flop CB 3Bet Pot
Raise flop CB 3Bet Pot

The bug ticket was closed and said to be "fixed" in september.

I re-opened / re-activated it. River cb 3bet pot should be fixed in a future update. The other stats already seem to be fixed.

alllala
11-02-2011, 05:22 PM
A reimport will likely not be required.
It's just a bug in the HUD stat formula.
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I re-opened / re-activated it. River cb 3bet pot should be fixed in a future update. The other stats already seem to be fixed.

I took my precious time after i got suspicious about some other new 3Bet Hud Stuff.

So far:

Edit: I made a mistake with the Filter, which let me assume there might be something wrong with the vs Turn Contibet in 3bet pot stats.



Fold_to_CB.river_three-bet_pot and Raise_CB.river_three-bet_pot: Formula totally wrong
Here Five HHs: 31681 (for River)
Hud Stats/Report Stats:
Fold_to_CB.river_three-bet_pot: 0%(5) / 80%(5)
Raise_CB.river_three-bet_pot: 0%(5) / 20%(5)



I can say. It wasnīt worth to announce new stats if such important once are quite a bullshit. What did you did you do the last 9 month since you talked about them?
Your developer team seems to be quite incompetent, if i might say that.
Iīm a little bit afraid about what will happen with HM2.

When can we expect the fix?

Patvs
11-02-2011, 10:37 PM
Can you email us the hands to support@holdemmanager.com + a link to this thread.

Did you try the stats in HM2: http://www.holdemmanager.com/downloads/Holdem_Manager_2_Setup.exe

alllala
11-03-2011, 08:35 AM
Why email, when i put them already to download in my last post (look for the ending with *.txt)

What has HM2 to do with HM1?

Patvs
11-04-2011, 03:02 AM
If you email us the hands, I can link your email to the bug ticket. If you''d like to know what the status is of the bug, it will be a lot easier to do to.

Please try HM2, if these stats have the same bug in HM2.

alllala
11-18-2011, 10:25 PM
Continuation_bet.turn_three-bet_pot and Continuation_bet.river_three-bet_pot are still not fixed with 12.06.

If the CB is Raised then i will be counted as two CB and therefore your stats shown in the popup Hud might be to high.

Iīm really angry with your mismanagement. Did you guys even tried to check your own fix?

The more i try to understand HM1, the more I realize how faulty it unfortunately really is.

Patvs
11-19-2011, 12:28 AM
Did you email us the hands?
PM me your email address so I can see to which programmer the email was assigned.

alllala
11-19-2011, 01:07 PM
posted here in the wrong thread

alllala
11-19-2011, 02:52 PM
I did send HHs per Email, but that was right before the faulty fix was released (12.06).

Now i have better unterstanding of whats wrong and could provide HHs, but you guys should think about giving some kind of reward to people who use their precious time to do your job.

Azalin
11-20-2011, 06:21 AM
Any news on when we should expect a fix?

alllala
11-20-2011, 08:34 AM
Here are the HHs for the proof.

When the Contibeter gets Raised his action will be wrongly counted in a weired way for the Bet Vs missed CB stats.


Also in a Limped Pot action can be counted for Bet vs Missed CB

Patvs
11-20-2011, 10:59 PM
PM me your email address so I can see to which programmer the email with handhistories was assigned.

alllala
11-20-2011, 11:05 PM
PM me your email address so I can see to which programmer the email with handhistories was assigned.

Oh. Well, I got a little confused with all the wrong stats, so I send the wrong HHs related to another bug.

I send them again and PM my Email to you.

Edit: Which Bug are we talking about? I started the Thread for wrong River CB in a 3Bpot, but then find so many more that Iīm not sure if we are on the same page here.

Edit2: I send a new mail with more HH and my email address to your PM

tfsantos
12-23-2011, 01:47 PM
I have updated my HM1 version to 1.12.08 and the problem still exists.
The errors on the Cbet percentages on 3bet pots have been pointed out several times and I believe you already updated the software 3 times without fixing this.
When will this bug be finally fixed and does it exist on HM2 also?

alllala
12-23-2011, 05:50 PM
Did you create a new database and reimported your Hands with the new Version of HM?


I checked myself. THe only "CB in 3B pot" stat that was off for me in some cases is the "Turn CB in 3B pot" stat. Unfortunately I was unable to reproduce this error this time, so I canīt deliver any HH to resolve it.

Maybe the error results from my datamined HHs that are not saved in the database.

Edit: The wrong "Turn CB in 3B pot" stat seems to be fixed with 12.08, altough it should have already happend with 12.07. Another hour of my time that wouldnīt be wasted if you guys would do your job right or at least make real release notes for every version

tfsantos
12-24-2011, 09:54 AM
Did you create a new database and reimported your Hands with the new Version of HM?



No. From your answer, I can see that this will fix the problem, so I'll do it. Thanks for your help.