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braminc
09-20-2011, 09:51 AM
For some reason omaha sngs (hu) dont compute red lines correctly. I'm surprised because HEM computes the %s correctly in the HH window. Also they don't import as omaha games, but as holdem... however the 1st problem is what im more interested in correcting.

Any help? I have many examples of hands where EVdiff doesnt make any sense at all

Sarek
09-20-2011, 11:46 AM
This happens with version 1.12.03b ?
http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe

braminc
09-21-2011, 04:34 PM
It happens on 1.12.02 and now i noticed that super turbo buyins are always input as $10 sngs regardless what level i play, i have to manually change them all...

I will upgrade and see if the beta fixes it...but was this recently worked on?
Also will it correct my red line for old games or would i have to reimport old stuff to get new results?

Patvs
09-22-2011, 12:05 AM
The $10 is the default buyin: options--> settings--> default tourney buyin.
If you play multiple stakes, you'll have to manually edit the buyin info for all the games: tourney--> results--> dataview.


Try reimporting the handhistories into a new database to check if the EV works. There have been a lot of EV fixes in 1.12.

Note: if you have to change the buyin info, the EV cannot be recalculated. So the Luck Adjusted Winnings will always be the same as the buyin info.

Does Merge write the buyin info to the handhistory file for these super turbos? Email us a handhistory if they do, but the buyin is still wrongly detected. (if they don't and you manually edit the buyin info, it will not be possible to display the EV)

braminc
09-22-2011, 11:03 AM
Ok so I created a new database and ran the tests.... the only thing that changed was the separation of omaha and nlh sngs categorically from the drop down menu, which isnt super important to me... sometimes i like having them all in one graph actually...

So here's the fundamental problem im noticing. Tell me if this statement is true or false (cause im not that great at math and get confused sometimes...):

In an allin pot, the winner of the hand can NOT have a + value in the $evdiff column because it's impossible to have more than 100% equity in a hand. Conversely, the loser can NOT have a - value in the same column because you can't have below 0% equity in a hand.

This principle holds true for all the holdem hands im skimming through (just watching $evdiff column). When i skim the omaha (its no limit as well... that shouldnt matter, right?), i see MANY instances where i lose and allin AND have a negative evdiff or win a hand and have a positive evdiff. It doesn't make sense to me.

Thoughts?

braminc
09-22-2011, 11:05 AM
Here's a sample hand where I have 40% equity allin preflop, in approx $99 value pot ($55 hu no limit omaha sng for ~90% of total chips), yet after losing, my $evdiff is -$51.05


<game id="40885815-53" starttime="20110921182009" numholecards="4" gametype="25" realmoney="true" data="20110921|Dingo Room - Turbo Heads Up|40885803-1|40885815-53|true">
<players dealer="1">
<player seat="0" nickname="braminc" balance="$1237.00" dealtin="true" />
<player seat="1" nickname="freeroller4" balance="$1613.00" dealtin="true" />
</players>
<round id="BLINDS" sequence="1">
<event sequence="1" type="SMALL_BLIND" timestamp="1316647213671" player="1" amount="50.00"/>
<event sequence="2" type="BIG_BLIND" timestamp="1316647213671" player="0" amount="100.00"/>
</round>
<round id="PREFLOP" sequence="2">
<event sequence="3" type="RAISE" timestamp="1316647215906" player="1" amount="200.00"/>
<event sequence="4" type="ALL_IN" timestamp="1316647217765" player="0" amount="1237.00"/>
<event sequence="5" type="CALL" timestamp="1316647219468" player="1" amount="1137.00"/>
<event sequence="6" type="SHOW" timestamp="1316647219906" player="0"/>
<event sequence="7" type="SHOW" timestamp="1316647220109" player="1"/>
<cards type="HOLE" cards="6d,3s,Kc,Ah" player="0" hand="Ace High"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="6d,3s,Kc,Ah" player="0"/>
<cards type="SHOWN" cards="Th,Qh,Ac,9c" player="1"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTFLOP" sequence="3">
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="Ts,9d,3d" hand="Pair of Threes"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTTURN" sequence="4">
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="Ts,9d,3d,8s" hand="Pair of Threes"/>
</round>
<round id="POSTRIVER" sequence="5">
<cards type="COMMUNITY" cards="Ts,9d,3d,8s,6s" hand="Two Pair Sixes and Threes"/>
</round>
<round id="END_OF_GAME" sequence="6">
<event sequence="8" type="PLAYER_OUT" timestamp="1316647229953" player="0"/>
<event sequence="9" type="PLAYER_OUT" timestamp="1316647229953" player="1"/>
<winner amount="2674.00" uncalled="false" potnumber="1" player="1" hand="Two Pair Tens and Nines" pottype="n"/>
</round>
</game>

Patvs
09-22-2011, 11:20 PM
In an allin pot, the winner of the hand can NOT have a + value in the $evdiff column because it's impossible to have more than 100% equity in a hand. Conversely, the loser can NOT have a - value in the same column because you can't have below 0% equity in a hand.



True.
We're aware there currently is a EV bug for Omaha.
(a bug that didn't exist in earlier HM versions, I honestly don't know when this bug started)
It will be fixed as soon as possible.