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Dolphin
06-19-2009, 05:34 PM
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</style><span class=h1>$0.5/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi</span><br><br>6 players<br>Converted at <b><a href="http://weaktight.com/">weaktight.com</a></b><br><br><br><span class=h1>Stacks:</span><table border=0 class=t1 cellspacing=4 cellpadding=2 ><tr class=t1><td class=h2>UTG <td class=h2> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$323.07</span>) <td></tr><tr class=t1 style="font-weight:bold"><td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold">UTG+1 <td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold"> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$172.97</span>) <td></tr><tr class=t1 style="font-weight:bold"><td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold">CO <td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold"> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$63.30</span>) <td></tr><tr class=t1 style="font-weight:bold"><td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold">BTN <td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold"> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$213.00</span>) <td></tr><tr class=t1><td class=h2>SB <td class=h2> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$182.43</span>) <td></tr><tr class=t1 style="font-weight:bold"><td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold">Hero (BB) <td class=h2 style="font-weight:bold"> <td>(<span style="color:darkblue;">$193.25</span>) <td></tr></table><br><span class=h1>Pre-flop:</span> (<span class=mi>$1.50, 6 players</span>) <span class=h1>Hero is BB</span><br/><img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/As.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Js.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Ad.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/5s.gif"> <br/><span class=fi style="color:#777777;" >1 fold</span>, <span style="color:darkred;">UTG+1 raises to $3.50</span>, CO calls $3.50, <span style="color:darkred;">BTN raises to $15.50</span>, <span class=fi style="color:#777777;" >1 fold</span>, <span style="color:darkred;">Hero raises to $54</span>, <span style="color:#777777;" >UTG+1 folds</span>, <span style="color:darkred;">CO goes all-in $63.30</span>, BTN calls $47.80, Hero calls $9.30<br><br><span class=h1>Flop:</span> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/4d.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/9d.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Jd.gif"> (<span class=mi>$197.40, 3 players</span>)<br>Hero checks, BTN checks<br><br><span class=h1>Turn:</span> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/2d.gif"> (<span class=mi>$197.40, 3 players</span>)<br><span style="color:darkred;">Hero goes all-in $129.95</span>, <span style="color:#777777;" >BTN folds</span><br><br><span class=h1>River:</span> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Th.gif"> (<span class=mi>$327.35, 2 players</span>)<br><br><span class=h1>Final Pot:</span> $327.35<br>Hero shows: <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/As.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Js.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Ad.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/5s.gif"> <br>CO shows: <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/5c.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/Qd.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/5d.gif"> <img border=1 src="http://weaktight.com/img/d5/9c.gif"> <br><br>Hero wins $129.95 ( lost -$63.30 ) <br>CO wins $190.90 ( won +$124.10 ) <br>BTN lost -$63.30<br>UTG+1 lost -$3.50<br>

Holdem Manger here sees no EV$ Difference, altough CO got all his money preflop versus my hand and was an underdog. I don't think this correct, and even if there was a side pot between myself and the BTN, and the BTN would go to showdown, the equity for the main pot should be taken according to the strength of the hands preflop, because that's were all the money that formed that pot went in.

What do you think?

morny
06-20-2009, 10:23 AM
Can you attach the original hand history please.

btw currently we calculate the equity where the last action was which is the turn in this case, its hard to please everyone with these sidepots, what if we calculate it pre flop but the other 2 stacks get all in on the turn, is it fair to calculate hes equity preflop if he had a bad hand that hit a full house on the turn and got all in, so its hard to please everyone like i said so we calculate the equity on the street the last action was or where they get all in.

Dolphin
06-20-2009, 03:49 PM
How can I send you the original HH privately?

fozzy71
06-20-2009, 05:07 PM
email him at morny@holdemmanager.net