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Micha
05-13-2009, 04:02 PM
Hi.

I always compare between my real money I got and the EV value.
Now I have one question about it. Think it is the best to post a hand to show the problem I have:

Blinds 0.10/0.25
I had QQ and my opponent K6.
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Preflop:
He limps, I raise on 1.25 and he calls.
My chances to win were: 72%
So I thought to that point my EV difference is: 1.25 * 0,72 = 0.90
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Flop:
He hits two pair, I nothing.
I bet 1.75, he calls.
My chances to win were: 8%
EV difference: 1.75 * 0.08 = 0.14
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Turn:
We both check.
EV difference: +0.00
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River:
I bet 2.35, he calls.
Coz I was beaten my chances was 0% on river.
EV difference: +0.00

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All in all I calculated:
Money: - 5.35$
EV Diff: + 1.04$
EV: - 4.31$

Holdem Manager calculated:
Money: - 5.35$
EV Diff: + 0.00$
EV: - 5.35$
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Holdem Manager calculated it as if I was beaten completely preflop and it does not care about my bets in the moment I still had chances.
So whats wrong in my consideration?

Here the hand:
PokerStars Game #28128671680: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/05/13 2:25:37 CET [2009/05/12 20:25:37 ET]
Table 'Pluto IX' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 2: Player2 ($47 in chips)
Seat 3: Player3 ($28.40 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($5.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Player4 ($16.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Player5 ($6.10 in chips)
Seat 8: Player6 ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 9: Player7 ($25 in chips)
Player4: posts small blind $0.10
Player5: posts big blind $0.25
watatatowww: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qs]
Player6: folds
Player7: folds
Player1: folds
Player2: calls $0.25
Player3: folds
Hero: raises $1 to $1.25
Player4: folds
Player5: folds
Player2: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [7d 6d Ks]
Player2: checks
Hero: bets $1.75
Player2: calls $1.75
*** TURN *** [7d 6d Ks] [7s]
Player2: checks
Hero: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d 6d Ks 7s] [Jh]
Player2: checks
Hero: bets $2.35 and is all-in
Player2: calls $2.35
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero: shows [Qd Qs] (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
Player2: shows [6h Kd] (two pair, Kings and Sevens)
Player2 collected $10.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $11.05 | Rake $0.50
Board [7d 6d Ks 7s Jh]
Seat 1: Player1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Player2 showed [6h Kd] and won ($10.55) with two pair, Kings and Sevens
Seat 3: Player3 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Hero (button) showed [Qd Qs] and lost with two pair, Queens and Sevens
Seat 5: Player4 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Player5 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Player6 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Player7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

morny
05-13-2009, 06:07 PM
Our EV is calculated on the last street of action and only applies to hands that were all in before the river as it will be 100/0% at this stage. We will be adding other methods of calculating it in later versions