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  1. #1
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    Default No stat changes in 12.06

    Hello,

    You said that 1.12.06 version fixed river cbet in 3bet pot. This is not true. Yes, after reimport it is not 100% for all players but if you will apply this filter: "preflop 3bet = true, faced preflop 4bet = false, river cbet possible = true", you will find that in "reports" river cbet stat is different from that one which is in popup. So, one of them is wrong and this is one in popup.

    Btw, why you tried to fix only river cbet in 3bet pot? Turn cbet in 3bet pot is not 100% as river cbet in 3bet pot in 12.06 ver, but it is not true too. You can check it by the same filter but with turn cbet = true (not river). Also, what about fold\call\raise on turn & river in 3bet pot? Those stats will be fixed?

    Thank you.

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    OMG. I really believed you guys with your "fix". I canīt believe you didnīt check your own improvement. I so mad at me to have believed in your competence.
    Itīs fucking unbelievable, but now itīs official.

    You guys suck hardcore.

    Again, I have to tell you what causes the problem (although I donīt really want to anymore,but i depend to much on your crapy software):

    If the Contibet is Raised on Turn or River in a 3Bet Pot (Playeraction of the Contibeter: BC,BF,BR - basically all the B+ Action), then the Formula for the Pop-up Hud (Continuation_bet.turn_three-bet_pot and Continuation_bet.river_three-bet_pot), count the one Contibet as if there were two. Therefore you can get stats that go over 100%. Therefore Turn and River CB in a 3Bet Pot is always >= reallity, which might let you believe that your enemy barrels all the time in 3Bet pots.

    I really think to not buy HM2 and take a look into PT4

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    Well Continuation_bet.flop_three-bet_pot and Fold_CB_to_raise.flop_three-bet_pot have a bug, too.

    When Hero did 4Bet Preflop and his CB is Raised then the Action will count for the three-bet_pot (at least for the Flop)

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    Is that really the case?

    Have you guys noticed any more stats that need a fix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azalin View Post
    Is that really the case?

    Have you guys noticed any more stats that need a fix?
    So far:
    Bet vs missed CB.total OOP
    Bet vs missed CB.turn OOP
    Bet vs missed CB.river OOP

    Bet vs missed CB.total in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.flop in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.turn in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.river in pos

    Fold_vs_3b.EP.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.EP.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.EP.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.EP.ip

    Fold_vs_3b.MP.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.MP.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.MP.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.MP.ip

    Fold_vs_3b.CO.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.CO.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.CO.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.CO.ip

    Continuation_bet.flop_three-bet_pot
    Continuation_bet.turn_three-bet_pot
    Continuation_bet.river_three-bet_pot
    Fold_CB_to_raise.flop_three-bet_pot

    and thats only the ones I know of and have proof that they are wrong.

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    omg

    tell me it aint so.. I cannot imagine all those stats being wrong all this time. I use them (like everybody else) every day and if thats the case that has costed me a LOT of money.

    I hope that a fix is released ASAP.

    Have you provided the info about those wrong stats to HEM support?

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    Well as far as i know, these wrong stats are know for like two years. I believe they were "fixed" several times, but I only think to have read about.

    Bet vs missed CB.total OOP
    Bet vs missed CB.turn OOP
    Bet vs missed CB.river OOP

    Bet vs missed CB.total in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.flop in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.turn in pos
    Bet vs missed CB.river in pos


    The next stats I just pointed out some days ago and fix is said to be ready and we have just to wait for 12.07.
    I used these Stats since i found the Active Player Details Window and they were wrong from the beginning of HM1 due to an error in the database Table they are build off. Here again i informed the HM-Team a year ago, with the latter information that it was fixed. Then two month ago, again in different topic i pointed out there was something wrong, but i only was told someone will look into it (but never happend). Only when I specifically showed what was wrong something happend - but we should wait if they have it really "fixed".

    Fold_vs_3b.EP.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.EP.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.EP.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.EP.ip

    Fold_vs_3b.MP.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.MP.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.MP.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.MP.ip

    Fold_vs_3b.CO.blind
    Fold_vs_3b.CO.ip
    Raise_vs_3b.CO.blind
    Raise_vs_3b.CO.ip


    And for the following (which include new stats) are issues know for some months, but they have been fixed at least two time now, with great success


    Continuation_bet.flop_three-bet_pot
    Continuation_bet.turn_three-bet_pot
    Continuation_bet.river_three-bet_pot
    Fold_CB_to_raise.flop_three-bet_pot



    The deeper i go into the matter, the more I loose faith in any of the stats.
    Last edited by alllala; 11-19-2011 at 12:30 PM.

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    wtf... is this real OP? i use all of the stats mentioned here a lot actually... so you are telling me i based my decisions on incorrect data for so long time... if this is real HEM team is responsible for like millions of dollars worth wrong decisions?

    i think we deserve an answer from the dev. team here ASAP...

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    "The best" thing is that I started this thread 2 days ago and there is no answer from HM support. So disappointing..

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    this is something really big if its even 1/4 the way i see it... i mean.. so many important stats are wrong and can lead you into many wrong decisions and we dont even know what is really wrong and what is not... so i guess ill be using vpip/pfr and 3b only until i get a real answer here...

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