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    Default mistake of calculation $EV in preflop all-in

    hello!

    It's SnG $6.50 FR on FTP.
    Have a little problem.
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    Hold'Em Manager Poker Software - Tracking and Analysis Poker Software
    NL Holdem $120(BB) Replayer Game#30519495595

    SB ($2,400)
    BB ($6,450)
    CO ($1,620)
    HERO ($3,030)

    SB posts (SB) $60
    BB posts (BB) $120

    Dealt to HERO Ad Ks
    fold,
    HERO raises to $300
    fold,
    BB raises to $6,450 (AI)
    HERO calls $2,730 (AI)
    FLOP ($6,120) 3c Jh 7h
    TURN ($6,120) 3c Jh 7h 4h
    RIVER ($6,120) 3c Jh 7h 4h Kh
    HERO shows Ad Ks
    (Pre 50%, Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

    BB shows Kd Ac
    (Pre 50%, Flop 50.0%, Turn 50.0%)

    HERO wins $3,060
    BB wins $3,060
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    It's situation 50.4%/49.6%, but only in 2.9% one of us won all pot.
    HM (v 1.11.06d) calculate my $EV diff=-$4.29(!?!). opponent with AcKd have $EV diff=-$0.56. opponents who dont play this hand have $EV diff=+$2.07 and +$2.78.
    Why? IMHO it's bug. Please fix it.
    Last edited by temp555; 05-16-2011 at 12:24 AM.

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    We had a EV bug 1.11.05 - 1.11.05d (fixed in 1.11.05e and also didn't occur in earlier versions)
    If you ever imported hands into the affected versions, please update to the latest version - http://www.holdemmanager.com/Downloads/HmUpdate.exe
    create a new database and reimport the hands.
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    thanks, it worked.

    Question.
    Can you make in HM calculating values $EV for each street separately? It about hands without preflop all-in.

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    EV-by-street for SNGs?

    We considered EV-by-street for cashgames, but opted against it.
    Read: EV in not all in situations

    For SNGs a similar situation would happen where the EV by street often cannot be calculated, leading to inaccurate longterm results if you'd only calculate it for the hands where it is possible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Patvs View Post
    EV-by-street for SNGs?
    Yes, I meant SnGs.

    Thanks for links and for your help.

    I have read and thought about this question before.
    Indeed, if hero going all-in on preflop, but other opponents (2 +) is not, and one (or more) of them didn't comes to showdown - calculate $ EV diff for hero is not possible.
    But if all other opponents came to showdown - $ EV diff can be calculated.
    If it is realized in SnGs - it will be great.


    PS: Sorry for long discussion - me a little sad. I thought my new license SnG Wiz app covers both my HM (my desktop computer & notebook), but it is not.

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