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    Table: Wollongong [73019238] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 0.15/0.30, Real money)
    Button: seat 2
    Players in round: 9
    Seat 3: GULTIAI (8.95)
    Seat 4: gxamu (53.49)
    Seat 5: namif (11.25)
    Seat 6: kingaria (21.79)
    Seat 8: HERO (30)
    Seat 9: milanku (18.25)
    Seat 10: DonMaartz (59.40)
    Seat 1: JimLaheyTPB (39.79)
    Seat 2: Alva111 (22.75)
    GULTIAI posts small blind (0.15)
    gxamu posts big blind (0.30)
    ---
    Dealing pocket cards
    Dealing to HERO: [Ah, As]
    namif folds
    kingaria folds
    v raises 1.20 to 1.20
    milanku calls 1.20
    DonMaartz folds
    JimLaheyTPB raises 4 to 4
    Alva111 folds
    GULTIAI raises 8.80 to 8.95 [all in]
    gxamu folds
    HERO calls 7.75
    milanku folds
    JimLaheyTPB calls 4.95
    --- Dealing flop [3s, 4s, 2d]
    HERO bets 10
    JimLaheyTPB folds
    --- Dealing flop [3s, 4s, 2d]
    --- Dealing turn [Ac]
    --- Dealing river [7s]
    ---
    Summary:
    Main pot: 28.35 won by HERO (26.94)
    Rake taken: $1.41
    Seat 3: GULTIAI (0), net: -8.95, [3h, 3d] (THREE_OF_A_KIND THREE)
    Seat 4: gxamu (53.19), net: -0.30
    Seat 5: namif (11.25)
    Seat 6: kingaria (21.79)
    Seat 8: HERO (47.99), net: +17.99, [Ah, As] (THREE_OF_A_KIND ACE)
    Seat 9: milanku (17.05), net: -1.20
    Seat 10: DonMaartz (59.40)
    Seat 1: JimLaheyTPB (30.84), net: -8.95
    Seat 2: Alva111 (22.75)


    EV diff. -$20.59
    when this hand was allin against GULTIAI preflop ?

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    Played on which site?

    update to http://www.holdemmanager.com/downloa...4_Internal.exe and reimport the hand into a new database.
    Please post the original (unedited) handhistory...
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    It was played on Ongame, HM version 1.11.03. It was strange situation when I just called reraise allin from shortstack to get money and postflop heads up from big stack. That is why it was taken as a flop allin by Holdemmanager, even when I was preflop allin against shortstack's threes. Therefore I could not badbeat him with my aces and have such negative EV. It is more like suggestion what to improve in Allin EV.

    This is, what I found in original history log file:
    ***** History for hand R5-73019238-990 *****
    Start hand: Sun Aug 8 07:48:14 GMT+0200 2010
    Table: Wollongong [73019238] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 0.15/0.30, Real money)
    User: M0RGAN..cz
    Button: seat 2
    Players in round: 9
    Seat 3: GULTIAI (8.95)
    Seat 4: gxamu (53.49)
    Seat 5: namif (11.25)
    Seat 6: kingaria (21.79)
    Seat 8: M0RGAN..cz (30)
    Seat 9: milanku (18.25)
    Seat 10: DonMaartz (59.40)
    Seat 1: JimLaheyTPB (39.79)
    Seat 2: Alva111 (22.75)
    GULTIAI posts small blind (0.15)
    gxamu posts big blind (0.30)
    ---
    Dealing pocket cards
    Dealing to M0RGAN..cz: [Ah, As]
    namif folds
    kingaria folds
    M0RGAN..cz raises 1.20 to 1.20
    milanku calls 1.20
    DonMaartz folds
    JimLaheyTPB raises 4 to 4
    Alva111 folds
    GULTIAI raises 8.80 to 8.95 [all in]
    gxamu folds
    M0RGAN..cz calls 7.75
    milanku folds
    JimLaheyTPB calls 4.95
    --- Dealing flop [3s, 4s, 2d]
    M0RGAN..cz bets 10
    JimLaheyTPB folds
    --- Dealing flop [3s, 4s, 2d]
    --- Dealing turn [Ac]
    --- Dealing river [7s]
    ---
    Summary:
    Main pot: 28.35 won by M0RGAN..cz (26.94)
    Rake taken: $1.41
    Seat 3: GULTIAI (0), net: -8.95, [3h, 3d] (THREE_OF_A_KIND THREE)
    Seat 4: gxamu (53.19), net: -0.30
    Seat 5: namif (11.25)
    Seat 6: kingaria (21.79)
    Seat 8: M0RGAN..cz (47.99), net: +17.99, [Ah, As] (THREE_OF_A_KIND ACE)
    Seat 9: milanku (17.05), net: -1.20
    Seat 10: DonMaartz (59.40)
    Seat 1: JimLaheyTPB (30.84), net: -8.95
    Seat 2: Alva111 (22.75)
    ***** End of hand R5-73019238-990 *****
    Last edited by M0RGAN; 08-09-2010 at 02:18 AM.

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    HM sees the allin on the flop... (when JimLaheyTPB folds) and you didn't have the best hand anymore.


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    To clarify the problem.
    Lets suppose you had QQ. The shortstack had 33. JimLaheyTPB had KK.
    Flop comes A3x.

    Shortstack is allin preflop.
    JimLaheyTPB has the best hand preflop.
    Betting continues ON the flop between you and JimLaheyTPB.
    You make JimLaheyTPB FOLD (because you're representing the A on the flop)

    ---> what's your EV diff? It will be EV diff. -$20.59
    HM will correctly view this as an allin ON the flop (not preflop), because:
    -1 JimLaheyTPB and you continued the betting
    -2 Maybe JimLaheyTPB had the best hand preflop....
    --> therefore if we don't get to see JimLahebTPB's hand, NO preflop allin calculation CAN be made.


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    It's irrelevant you had the best hand preflop... and it may look really weird for this ONE hand because you had AA. But it's the most fair way (longterm) to calculate the EV.
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    This is not a bug, this is the only way you can calculate your expected income vs what you actually got, without introducing biases in the calculation.

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